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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:09 am

Promising. You have RVD and Lynn supply the showstopped and Raven/Dreamer to have their usual unhinged brawl. 3D can easily be found something to do, possibly with the FBI if they come aboard. I have to think The majority of those contacted will appear.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:01 pm

Rumours are starting to make the rounds about who WWE would like to induct into their Hall of Fame next year. Current names being raised include Arn Anderson (deserving), the Freebirds (very deserving) and the Ultimate fricking Hellwig.

Why the hell would they want to induct him? He had a good run for a couple of years and then the fans saw through him and he never drew a dime again. He was always a terrible worker, his only tolerable matches were ones where he was carried by far superior opponants (Rick Rude, Randy Savage) or where a small miracle happened (with Hogan at 'Mania VI). He could never work, he hasn't been a draw in years, he is a complete asshole (by the accounts of virtually everyone) who "joked" that Bobby Heenan deserved his cancer, Vince fired him repeatedly and he's filed frivolous lawsuits against pretty much every promotion he's ever worked for.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by TPaine on Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:42 pm

Ebon wrote:Rumours are starting to make the rounds about who WWE would like to induct into their Hall of Fame next year. Current names being raised include Arn Anderson (deserving), the Freebirds (very deserving) and the Ultimate fricking Hellwig.

Why the hell would they want to induct him? He had a good run for a couple of years and then the fans saw through him and he never drew a dime again. He was always a terrible worker, his only tolerable matches were ones where he was carried by far superior opponants (Rick Rude, Randy Savage) or where a small miracle happened (with Hogan at 'Mania VI). He could never work, he hasn't been a draw in years, he is a complete asshole (by the accounts of virtually everyone) who "joked" that Bobby Heenan deserved his cancer, Vince fired him repeatedly and he's filed frivolous lawsuits against pretty much every promotion he's ever worked for.
I agree with you about Hellwig. If Vince inducts him yet continues to ignore the fact that if anyone deserves to be in the Hall of Fame it's Lou Thesz it's obvious that Vinnie is only interested in those people who kissed his sorry ass at some point, and has nothing to do with wrestling talent. I can understand Hogan to some extent despite the fact that, as Gorilla Monsoon said, he didn't know a wrist lock from a wristwatch he did put a lot of asses in the seats which is a damn sight more than Hellwig ever did. I think Vinnie's problem with Thesz is that Lou refused to lose the NWA title to Bruno Sammartino when Vince Sr. wanted him to do so unless he was fairly compensated. Lou said if he was ordered to take the match it would be a contest and he'd simply beat Bruno which wouldn't have been much of a challenge for him.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:46 pm

You or I could easily come up with a list of five guys who deserve to be in any credible Hall of Fame yet aren't in WWE's version (my own list would be Lou Thesz, Tom Billington, Gorgeous George Wagner, Rick Rude and Gene Kiniski).

Vince's approach seems to be to only induct workers from around 1980 onwards, preferably ones that he had friendly relations with although he has used a HoF induction as a way of proving to himself that he can do anything to a worker and they'll still come back.

I think Hogan should be in any credible wrestling HoF. OK, he was a crap worker (although when in Japan, he made an effort and was at least tolerable) but he drew mega money and, what really ensures his place in a HoF, he changed the business. Hogan was the spearhead that allowed WWE to go global and reformed the pay system to include PPV and merch royalties. Like him or not (and you know I don't), Hogan genuinely changed the business.

But if "changed the business" is a qualification, and I think it should be, then Wagner has to be in there. Inventing the whole concept of gimmicks certainly counts as revolutionising the business. On the same grounds, we need to include Leroy Brown (who invented entrance music) and the Freebirds (who popularised it). Actually, here are my picks for the first-ballot in a credible pro wrestling Hall of Fame and I made myself the rule that anyone included had to be at least mostly retired.

Singles (10): Lou Thesz, Gene Kiniski, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, George Wagner, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude, Ric Flair, Tom Billington, Satoru Sayama (Tiger Mask I).

Tag-Teams (5, must be retired or split up): Fabulous Freebirds (original version), Midnight Express (Eaton & Lane version), Brain Busters (Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard), Steiner Brothers, Hart Foundation (Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart version).

Others: Vince McMahon Sr., Jim Crockett, Lance Russell, Gordon Solie, Bobby Heenan, Jim Cornette, Fabulous Moolah, Sherri Martel.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:10 pm

Items:
- Roadkill and Mikey Whipwreck have both turned down offers to appear at Hardcore Justice. Mikey, in particular, was very gracious and pointed out how amusing it was that the promotion everyone wrote off at the time is still on everyone's mind.

- Reports about Dawn Marie's charity Wrestler's Rescue are getting more and more worrying. For the record, Wrestler's Rescue was a wonderful idea that focused on collecting money from wrestling fans and luminaries to help out wrestlers and former wrestlers who'd fallen on hard times. That's a phonomenal idea and badly needed in this business. If I'd heard of them before this scandal, I would have had a standing monthly donation to them. Sadly, it's coming out that it has been run badly at best and possibly criminally. Firstly, WR is not a registered not-for-profit after three years in operation. Secondly, while the organisation was originally set up to help the late Steve Williams, he sadly passed away before the results appear and there's no indication where the money has gone. Nor is Dawn willing to open up the books to, say, an accountant.

Now, none of that is incriminating in itself but it's very unusual for a charity. If they money has gone to pay Steve Williams funeral expenses or establish a trust fund for his son (both of which were discussed) or been used to help out some other out-of-luck worker, why can't we see the receipts? If you got a real charity, the Terrence Higgins Trust for example, they'll happily provide you with bountiful information showing exactly where every penny donated to them has gone and the books are open to perusal by anyone interested in looking. If WR is on the up-and-up (and if it's not, someone needs to start a legitimate version), why are the books so secret? This is not somethign which inspires confidence.

- On his blog, Jim Ross commented that TNA is probably a better option for Kurt Angle. I actually agree with that entirely (for someone of Kurt's age and health, TNA's five dates a month schedule is perfect), I'm just amazed he said so.

- Paulie Heyman and Joey Styles will NOT be at Hardcore Justice. As you know, Paulie is in talks with TNA but he's refusing to allow himself to be pressured into rushing the deal. However, several of the background interviews being filmed for the show pay tribute to both of them.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by TPaine on Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:47 am

I'm older than you, so my choices will be different since there are old-timers I believe belong in any HOF.
Ebon wrote:Singles (10): Lou Thesz, Gene Kiniski, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, George Wagner, Curt Hennig, Rick Rude, Ric Flair, Tom Billington, Satoru Sayama (Tiger Mask I).
Singles (10): Lou Thesz, Ed "Strangler" Lewis, Frank Gotch, George Wagner, Buddy Rogers, Ric Flair, Rikidozan, Dara Singh, Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan
Ebon wrote:Tag-Teams (5, must be retired or split up): Fabulous Freebirds (original version), Midnight Express (Eaton & Lane version), Brain Busters (Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard), Steiner Brothers, Hart Foundation (Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart version).
Tag-Teams (5, must be retired or split up): Fabulous Freebirds (original version), Fabulous Kangaroos (Al Costello & Roy Heffernan), Steiner Brothers, Minnesota Wrecking Crew (Gene & Ole), Hart Foundation (Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart)
Ebon wrote:Others: Vince McMahon Sr., Jim Crockett, Lance Russell, Gordon Solie, Bobby Heenan, Jim Cornette, Fabulous Moolah, Sherri Martel.
Others: Sam Muchnick, Vince McMahon Jr., Gordon Solie, Lance Russell, Billy Sandow, Jim Cornette, Mildred Burke, Fabulous Moolah

My reasons for the choices that disagree with yours are: Lewis was a talented hooker who was one of the first to popularize the heel gimmick. Gotch was the last of the legitimate champions whose matched were honest contests. Although there were contests for the title after Gotch it was the exception rather than the rule. Rogers was the first to use the bleached blond egocentric heel gimmick that became a wrestling staple. Rikidozan was the person who opened Japan up to American wrestlers. Singh owned the British Empire Championship in the late '50s and early '60s. He was treated like a god in India and was a true hooker. Andre, like Hogan, made a fortune for promoters. No one was better at putting asses in the seats. The Kangaroos were a heel team from Australia in the late '50 & early '60s that popularized tag team wrestling. They were the first tag team inducted into the Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame in 2003. The Minnesota Wrecking Crew developed the gimmick that many tag teams including the Brain Busters used. Muchnick was the president of the NWA during it's glory years from the late '40s through the mid '60s. He was skilled at getting a group of egotistical promoters to actually work together. Vince Jr. took his father's regional promotion and made it the most powerful force in wrestling. Sandow, who managed Ed Lewis was the first of the ringside heel managers. He set the stage for all the rest. Burke held the Women's Championship from the mid-'30s to the mid-'50s. During her career she wrestled over 200 men and only lost once.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:52 am

I can't argue with any of those picks, several were people I considered myself (in particular, Andre, Rikidozan and Sam Muchnick).
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:01 am

Bobby Heenan suffered two falls at home yesterday and has suffered a broken hip, pelvis and shoulder. He'll be having shoulder surgery on the 4th.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by TPaine on Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:18 am

Ebon wrote:Bobby Heenan suffered two falls at home yesterday and has suffered a broken hip, pelvis and shoulder. He'll be having shoulder surgery on the 4th.
Bobby can't seem to catch a break over the past few years. His luck seems to be all bad. I hope he has a quick recovery.

The card is out for the TNA Impact telecast on August 12. They're going to do what the card would have been at the Hard Justice PPV if they hadn't decided to turn it into the ECW Hardcore Justice PPV.
Ink Inc. vs. Generation Me (#1 contender match for the World Tag Titles)
Beer Money vs. Motor City Machine Guns (rubber match for the World Tag Titles)
The Pope vs. Matt Morgan vs. Mr. Anderson
Jeff Hardy Open Challenge
Angelina Love vs. Madison Rayne (Knockouts Championship Match)
Kurt Angle vs. AJ Styles
RVD vs. Abyss (TNA World Title Match)
This looks like a PPV quality card on free TV.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:51 pm

TPaine wrote:Bobby can't seem to catch a break over the past few years. His luck seems to be all bad. I hope he has a quick recovery.

Poor guy reminds me of that old blues number: "If I didn't have bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all".

Ink Inc. vs. Generation Me (#1 contender match for the World Tag Titles)

Should be a good match. GenMe and Shannon Moore should mesh well.

Beer Money vs. Motor City Machine Guns (rubber match for the World Tag Titles)

Should be awesome. Their matches have been mostly first-class.

The Pope vs. Matt Morgan vs. Mr. Anderson

TNA really needs an IC-level title for workers like Pope and Anderson to scrap over. They're pretty good and should have a fun match. Morgan's always been a waste but hopefully, they'll keep his contributions to a minimum.

Jeff Hardy Open Challenge

Obviously, this one depends on who's opposing.

Angelina Love vs. Madison Rayne (Knockouts Championship Match)

It's probably just me but Love and Rayne don't seem to have "clicked" yet. With any luck, this'll be the match when they do.

Kurt Angle vs. AJ Styles

Need a 5-star match? Stick Angle and Styles in a ring! I'm gently mocking but these two could turn out MOTY candidates in their sleep so the result will always be worth watching.

RVD vs. Abyss (TNA World Title Match)

This one could go either way. TNA's tendancy toward overbooking could kill it, as could a style clash between them. However, Abyss has had some great David/Goliath style matches before with people like Styles and RVD can certainly hold up his end of a match like that. Keep the booking minimal and give them 15 minutes or so and that could turn out to be the pleasent surprise of the night.

Gotta say, it's nice of TNA to give us a free-per-view show so close to Hardcore Justice.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:10 am

Interesting bit of news: Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas are reforming their team and heading to ROH. Can a TNA spot for either or both be far behind?
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:19 am

News bites:
- Team 3D are in the process of negotiating contract extensions with TNA. Apparently, they weren't mad keen on the idea of doing an ECW themed PPV.

- Internal feeling at TNA is now that Paulie will not be signing with the company. I'll resist judging whose fault that is until the details of the negotiations come out.

- WWE is apparently about to introduce a new logo.

- Dixie Carter has Tweeted (@TNADixie) that CW Anderson, Brother Runt and the FBI have signed for Hardcore Justice although she didn't mention which FBI members were in. I would hope to see Tracy Smothers, Jim Maritato and Big Sal (number of actual Italians who were ever members of the FBI: 1, Jim Maritato). Maritato can stick around after the event, he'd be a fine addition to the X Division and could have some cracking technical matches with Doug Williams.

- Dave Batista is currently making the rounds of the promotional circuit to tout "Batista vs. Cancer". Not half as tasteless as it sounds, that's actually a fundraising video he did for the Ovarian Cancer Research Fund.

- TNA have suspended Samoa Joe for a month. Apparently, this stems from him blowing up at production staff after what he felt was a badly handled finish to his match with Jeff Hardy.

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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by Ebon on Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:16 pm

- According to reports, Jerry Lynn has reinjured his back and, barring a miracle, will have to pull out of the Hardcore Justice main event. Still, that should actually make it more like the old "Format? What format?" days.

- Batista is apparently serious about an MMA career. He'll be destroyed. Prize fighting is a young man's game and, at over forty and with a history of major injuries, Batista doesn't stand a chance.

- Kid Kash has Tweeted that he will be at Hardcore Justice tonight. No word on what role he might play.

- Golddust recently Tweeted that Lacey Von Erich is "horrible" and "has no talent whatsoever". He's not wrong either...

- Vince gave an interview with Yahoo in which he said those criticising Linda for WWE storylines are "being unfair". Vince should be really, really grateful they aren't going after WWE's business practices...
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TNA Hardcore Justice

Post by Ebon on Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:46 pm

We open with Mike DeAngelis in the ring, who quickly throws us to Tax, standing on the ramp with a mic in hand. Taz cuts a blistering promo, welcoming everyone to the show, tossing a few shots at WWE and reminding everyone of the legacy which is being celebrated here tonight although he never once uses the phrase ECW. Fairly early on, Mike Tenay acknowledges that, for legal reasons, they can't use the initials or some of the familiar names. He also acknowledges that most fans will be so familiar with everyone that they won't need to use them. Throughout the broadcast, euphemisms like "hardcore" and "the Philly promotion" are bandied about. With the exception of one slip by Taz when he refers to Balls Mahoney (using the name "Kahoneys" here) as "Balls" and is swiftly corrected by Tenay, they're very careful to avoid tempting lawsuits. Sounds like it should be jarring but you get used to it pretty quickly. For teh sake of my sanity though, I'm just going to use the names we're all familiar with.

Beware, from here on out, there be SPOLERS...

Once Taz and Tenay get to their announce desk, we get the expected news that Jerry Lynn blew his back out in training and won't be up to working a match with RVD tonight. However, his replacement is veteran maniac, Sabu. Good choice. If you think of RVD's classic opponants, Jerry Lynn would be your first choice but your second would probably be Sabu. Through the show tonight, they have various workers, both former ECW and current TNA (and Francine via sattelite from her home), reminiscing about what ECW was to them. I'm not going to recap them because they're superfluous but a nice touch. Something else to note, this wasn't a regular show so I'm not going to cover it as one. It was a nostalgia show and that's how it should be viewed, as a pleasent walk down memory lane with no real attempt to match what today's workers are capable of.

First match of the show is a six-man tag: The FBI (represented here by Jim "Guido" Maritato, Tony Mamaluke and Tracey Smothers with Big Sal on the outside; number of actual Italians in there: 1). Sal has somehow managed to get even bigger which is impressive since he had his own gravitational pull last time I saw him. Tracey looked ancient, because he is. Tony looked a little like Chachi from Happy Days and Guido looked... exactly the fucking same. Their opponants (loosely heels but there weren't really face/heel roles) were Kid Kash (looking fat), Simon Diamond (also fat but he's been retired for years so we'll let that slide) and Johnny Swinger (still lean and muscular but losing his hair). Match wasn't half bad and included the traditional mid-match dance contest (yes, both sides are still awful). Spot of the match came from Kash who used a little assisstance from ref John Finnigan to hit a triple-jump flip dive onto everyone brawling at ringside. Finish comes when Guido hits the Kiss of Death (better known as Christian's Unprettier/I'm Prettier but Guido invented it) on Simon and picks up the pin. On the strength of this, TNA could do a lot worse than invite Guido to stick around. The X-Division has plenty of fliers, why not bring in Guido as the resident submission expert? In fact, there's a built-in story, Guido as the ECW guy who just won't leave.

Backstage segment in which Al Snow argues with Head and Stevie Richards, followed by Stevie arguing with the BWO (Nova and the Blue Tilly, replacing the Meanie but bizarrely, the Meanie cut a "Remembering" segment earlier on the show). Then Lupus (remember him?) turns up and argues with Al. Weird.

Next up: CW Anderson versus 2 Cold Scorpio. Scorp has put on a little weight and shaved his head and I question the wisdom of working a match with your eyebrow-ring still in place. CW looks exactly the same as he did fifteen years ago. Match is a tidy piece of work which wouldn't disgrace the midcard of any promotion. CW works the traditional Anderson style; nothing flash, nothing fancy but everything looks credible. Scorp is a half-step slower than he was back in the day but still lightning fast and acrobatic. Finish comes when Scorp kicks out of the Anderson spinebuster. CW hits a few forearms, bounces off the ropes with a final forearm and runs straight into a wicked superkick from Scorpio. Scorp polishes him off with a moonsault legdrop for the win. Again, both these guys are in decent shape and TNA would do a lot worse than ask them to do the odd show.

Backstage segment with RVD and (for one night only) Bill Alfonso. RVD is clearly high as a kite and they cut a rambling, back-and-forth promo in exactly the same way as they used to. Fonzie is apparently going to be managing both RVD and Sabu in the main event. Interesting.

Back to teh ring for Justin Credible against Stevie Richards. The two brawl back and forth for a while, the bWo gets involved whenever they can. Justin hits the spinning DDT and the "That's Incredible" spinning tombstone but Stevie kicks out of the first and Justin pulls him up at 2 on the second. That leads straight to our finish as Justin taunts Stevie with slaps and then tells him "That's not just the coolest, that's not just the best, that's..." and eats a wicked Stevie Kick which allows Stevie to pick up the dukes. Decent match. Nothing special but, on a nostalgia show, worthy of polite applause.

After the match, Justin nails Stevie with his Singapore cane for a few moments. Then the lights cut out. When they come back, teh Sandman is standing in the ring, cane in hand. Justin has the most wonderful "Aw, fuck it" expression on his face. Justin goes for Sandy but Sandy hits the White Russian legsweep and then canes the living piss out of Credible. Bet that hurt.

Now we have a three-way dance (ECW so it's elimination rules) with Spike Dudley, Al Snow and Rhino. Highlights include a suplex/diving stomp on Snow, a spinning huricanrana by Spike on Rhino and Snow laying everyone out with Head. Eventually, Rhino is down and the ref is just waking up from an earlier bump. Spike grabs a chair, slams it on the mat, tosses it to Snow and hurls himself to the canvas in what I can only presume was a tribute to the late Eddy Gerrero. Snow decides two can play that game, slams the chair on the mat and then hurls himself on the canvas. Ref wakes up to discover a chair in the ring and all three men own. His "What the fuck?" expression is priceless. After everyone gets up, Spike hits the Acid Drop/Dudley Dog on Snow and pins him to eliminate Snow. That leaves Spike and Rhino which lasted about four seconds. As Spike gets up from pinning Snow, Rhino Gores him out of his boots for the 3-count and the win.

Generic promo from Mick Foley for tonight's Dreamer/Raven match.

Axl Rotten & Balls Mahoney (here called Kahoneys, pronounced cajones) hit the ring and call thmselves the most hardcore team in wrestling. They challenge anyone with the guts enough, anyone with the nuts enough, to come out and face them. That brings out the Dudleys (in old-school tie-dye) who have Joel Gertner with them. Gertner cuts one of his infamous obscene poems which bears repeating: "Lady Gaga promoting celibacy / now that's just a disgrace / but if she won't let me stuff her muff / I'll have to poke her face". Yep, Gertner's still got it, his routine brought the house down and Balls corpsed at ringside. He gets as far as calling them "the Dud..." before Bubba and D-Von's look of horror forces him to slide into "3-D". Now, that was funny. Bubba gets on the mic and says no-one wants to see them have a wrestling match (very true!) so let's make this a South Philly Streetfight (i.e. no countout, no DQ, falls count anywhere). Cue unhinged brawling all over the arena. Axl hits his old Rhodes routine on Bubba and D-Von. Bubba resurrects his old dance routine before planting Axl. At one point, Bubba and Balls have an honest-to-god lightsabre duel (I swear I'm not making this up). Usual assortment of foreign objects destroyed before Bubba tells D-Von to "GET THE TABLES!". Table in the ring and the crowd is chanting "Fire!". Joel Gertner hops up on teh apron with the biggest shit-eating grin you've ever seen and hands Bubba the lighter fluid. The table is promptly set alight and it's Balls who takes the powerbomb through it tonight. After that, the pinfall is academic. The fire table spot is actually really safe to take because the petrol doesn't burn very hot and the impact of going through the table snuffs out the fire straight away. Looks great though.

Bubba gets back on the mic and proclaims the Dud... Er, 3-D, the most hardcore team in wrestling history. Don't look now, sparky, but THE GANGSTAS beg to differ. Now, I was really surprised by this. These two had a massive falling out in the mid-nineties and, word had it, genuinely hated each other for years afterward so it was a real shock to see them teaming again. The Gangstas cart their usual collection of weapons to ringside and a somewhat shorter unhinged brawl is on. After the Duds absorb shots from chairs, a trash can and the traditional staplegun, Joel decides to stick his oar in and gets Jack's guitar obliterated over his head. After which, the Gangstas, Dudleys and Balls & Axl take a collective bow. Oh, and as is traditional, the Gangstas music kept playing throughout.

Awesome promo from Raven who recaps the whole storied history of his feud with Tommy Dreamer.

And that brings us to The Final Showdown: Raven versus Dreamer, special referree Mick Foley, one fall to a finish (and with the state of Tommy's back and knees, it bloody well better be their last match). Raven briefly breaks character on his way to the ring to reassure Dreamer's kids (sitting with Beulah and Dixie Carter) that it's still Uncle Scotty under the makeup. Tommy, in his final match, capping off the feud which has defined the careers of both men, is struggling not to weep. Right off the bat, Foley tells both men that, as long as it's just the two of them, anything goes. Raven instantly takes advantage of that by punting Dreamer in the nuts. Out to the floor and Raven legsweeps Dreamer into the guard rail. Brawling back and forth for a while, Dreamer eventually takes over as they get back in the ring. Back outside the ring and Raven tells Dixie to take Beulah and the kids backstage, sensible move there 'cos Tommy is now bleeding like a stuck pig. Tommy takes over again by reversing an Evenflow attempt into a Dreamer Driver. Locating a length of barbed wire under the ring, he slaps a Crippler Crossface on Raven, using the barbed wire across Raven's mouth for leverage. Now that was brutal. To break up Raven's predicament, the bWo hit the ring, Nova taking down Foley while Blue Tilly goes after Dreamer. Tilly quickly misses the fat kid splash from the top and Dreamer wipes out both of them before walking straight into an Evenflow DDT from Raven. Tommy kicks out at two. Raven disputes the count with Foley and winds up eating a Socko claw for his trouble. Meanwhile, Lupus runs in and hits a major altitude top-rope legdrop on Dreamer. Unfortunately for him, Mick notices that and he eats a barbed-wire covered Socko claw that has him bleeding profusely. Mick takes the poor bastard to the back as Raven locates some handcuffs somewhere and cuffs Dreamer. Couple of unprotected chair shots (to the back, thankfully) and Beulah hits teh ring. She begs Raven to stop, reminds him that they're all friends now, etc. Raven relents and hugs her... then blasts Tommy with a positively evil chairshot to the head. He follows that up with a couple of chairshots to Foley. Somehow, Dreamer manages to hit the Dreamer DDT despite still being cuffed but it fails to put Raven away. Raven back up, he chairshots Dreamer in teh head (protected) and knee, then Evenflow's him onto teh chair to finally put Dreamer away and finally, at long last, cap off their feud. Good fun match. Both guys are getting old and slow now and Tommy shouldn't have been anywhere near the ring but when the bell rang, they gave it their all and left everything in teh ring.

Backstage segment with Borash and So Cal Val. Suddenly the Gangstas show up. Jack greets Val with "Hello, new white girl" and asks her if she's heard about black men, "Once you go black, you get bad credit". After Val leaves, Jack turns to Borash and says "Now, you're my bitch". Harmless and pretty funny segment.

And here's our main event, RVD versus Sabu. RVD enters first, back in his old tiger-stripe unitard and accompanied by Fonzie. Once he makes it to the ring, Fonzie has to leg it back up teh ramp and accompany Sabu down as well. This was entirely highspots with very few transitions in-between so I'm not even going to attempt a full recap. Highlights included Fonzie sliding a chair directly between the two, Sabu winning the struggle for the chair and then just hurling teh chair into RVD's face. Leaving teh chair on Rob's chest, Sabu hits a splash and gets a two. When RVD rolls out to the floor, Sabu uses the chair to set up the triple-jump Air Sabu into teh third row. Back into teh ring and Rob takes over for a parade of chair spots, including Rolling Thunder (been a while since we saw that). Both men go for springboard moves at the same time and crash into each other in mid-air. Both men down on opposite sides of teh ring and Fonzie jumps in and tosses them both a bottle of water. Again, I swear I'm not making this up. Back to the ouside and RVD hits his traditional twisting legdrop off the apron. RVD hits an Arabian Facebuster on Sabu through a table. Sabu hits a huracanrana off the top and follows that up by returning the favour with an Arabian Facebuster of his own. RVD crotches Sabu on the top-rope and hits the Van Assassin (top rope Van Daminator) on him. Rolling Thunder. Sabu sets RVD up but misses a chair-assissted splash and crashes through teh table solo. RVD follows that with the 5-Star Frog Splash to take the win. Great fun match, just a parade of highspots that gave Sabu one last match to strut his stuff in the spotlight. he looks weird with a shaved head though.

RVD and Sabu share a hug. All the ECW Originals (including several who weren't booked) hit teh ring, share a beer and hug each other. Tommy cuts a speech thanking the ECW fans and thanking Dixie (now in the ring) for letting them put on their reunion show. Fans chant "FUCK YOU, VINCE!". Ha! Dreamer thanks everyone one more time and we're out.

Final thoughts: Let's be honest; if this was presented as a standard PPV, the fans would be in open revolt. Some of the work was sloppy, several of the workers were out of shape and one (Tommy) shouldn't even have been in the ring. But it wasn't a standard PPV. This was a nostalgia show, a chance to look back fondly on the glory days and looked at from that point of view, it was more than acceptable. RVD and Sabu soared, teh FBI had a nice tight technical match (and a dance contest) and the Dudleys, Gangstas and Balls/Axl beat the living shit out of each other. It felt like an ECW event. OK, you can't do this every month but as a one-off or even once a year or two, it was fine. The problem now, is how TNA are going to follow it.

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Post by Ebon on Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:39 am

News bites:
- And sadly, I have to start with another obituary. Lance Cade passed away yesterday of apparent heart failure at the age of 29. Probably best known for his three brief WWE tag-title reigns with Trevor Murdoch, Cade's solo career in the WWE never really took off, despite having "the look" and the friendship of existing top-liners liek Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels. Cade had apparently been unwell for the last week and was admitted to hospital on the 10th with breathing difficulties but discharged himself. Given his age, physical condition and history (he attended 30-day rehab in January), it's not unreasonable to suspect drugs were involved in some way. Cade leaves behind a wife, two daughters and a step-son.

- WWE "diva" Tiffany was arrested last Saturday following some kind of incident with her husband (Drew McIntyre) at an LA hotel. She has since been suspended by WWE and will presumably miss SummerSlam.

- TNA's "Whole F'n Show" drew a 1.15, down slightly on last week's 1.2. Great show though.

- Shawn Michals is still being asked if he'll do another match and he's still saying it's not going to happen.

- WWE has added a bunch of workers to FCW. Of those, the most interesting are Xavier Woods (formerly TNA's Consequences Creed), Buck Dixon (Shane Canterbury, son of Henry Godwin), Roman Leakee (son of Sika, another of the Anao'i clan) and James Bronson (a former MMA fighter who reminds me strongly of Jos LeDuc).
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Post by Ebon on Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:13 am

Morbid news:
- Luna Vachon has passed away at the age of 48. She was found dead yesterday at her mother's home (where she had been staying due to an accidental fire at her own home). No cause of death as yet. She leaves behind three ex-husbands, two sons and two granddaughters. Due to Luna's long-standing bipolar disorder, suicide is considered a possibility.

- Anton Geesink, Olympic gold medalist in Judo and early headliner for AJPW passed away yesterday at the age of 76. Cause of death was plain old age.

- Anthony "Tough Tony Borne" Osbourne passed away of old age yesterday at the age of 83. He is probably best remember for his eleven tag titles with Lonnie "Moondog" Mayne in PNW.

Brighter news:
- Triple H & Stephanie McMahon celebrated the birth of their third daughter last Wednesday.

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Post by Ebon on Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:06 am

Not sure if anyone is still reading this but just in case:
- Rumour reaching me is that Mickie James has signed with TNA. Since "Mickey" is a different spelling of her full name (Mickie Laree James) and WWE has presumably copyrighted that spelling, she'll probably have to either switch to her birth name or revert to teh "Alexis Laree" persona.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by TPaine on Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:42 pm

Mickie James is a talented worker and should fit very well in the TNA Knockouts division.

On a sad note, Jorge González who worked in WCW as El Gigante between 1989 & 1992 and in the WWE as Giant González 1993 passed away on 9/22 from complications from diabetes in his native Argentina. He was 44.



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Post by Ebon on Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:27 am

It's the same story as Andre, the condition which made him a star led to health problems that killed him. Also, like Andre, he was apparently an incredibly nice guy outside the ring.
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Re: Wrestling thread

Post by JuliaKhanam on Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:01 pm

That's what happens when you marry the boss' daughter. If Trips wants the belt, it's his. The only positive would be he's talented enough in the ring and, more important, on the mic to handle both the face and heel roles. I don't see Michaels winning the belt in his retirement match, then losing it on the same show. I can see him breaking a heel 'Taker's Mania undefeated streak







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Post by Ebon on Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:06 pm

JuliaKhanam wrote:That's what happens when you marry the boss' daughter. If Trips wants the belt, it's his. The only positive would be he's talented enough in the ring and, more important, on the mic to handle both the face and heel roles. I don't see Michaels winning the belt in his retirement match, then losing it on the same show. I can see him breaking a heel 'Taker's Mania undefeated streak

Michael's actually retired at last year's WrestleMania, that's how long this thread has been running.

There's apparently a fair chance that 'Taker will retire after 'Mania in March/April but obviously, that's unconfirmed as yet.
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Post by TPaine on Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:38 pm

I'm beginning to wonder if Bischoff and Hogan realize that overplaying the nWo angle is what killed WCW, because they're doing the same thing again in TNA. As you probably know by now, "They" turned out to be Sleazy E, Hogan, Abyss, Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, and Fortune. Evidently they also control "security." Hopefully, the bookers will realize that they can't make the "They" faction more powerful than the TNA faction as they did by making the nWo faction more powerful than the WCW faction.

There are rumors that Matt Hardy is on his way to TNA. Also, according to the rumor mill, Kevin Nash's contract is up and he's leaving the company as is Rhino.
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Post by Ebon on Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:15 pm

I'd heard that Nash was retiring. Good thing too. At over fifty with a heart condition, he shouldn't be in the ring. Hadn't heard about Rhino although it's unsurprising since he's slipped off the radar lately. Matt might be a help, he's a decent mid-level worker and he might help his brother stay on the straight and narrow but with this parade of idiots in charge, I'm not sure it'll help.

Oh, and turning Jeff was really dumb.
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Post by Ebon on Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:41 pm

Couple of news bites:
- The ruling on Luna Vachon's death is in. The official verdict is accidental overdose on a combination of painkillers and anti-anxiety meds (Luna suffered from bipolar so the anti-anxiety meds were megit).

- Paulie has revealed what his plan was for TNA. The plan was to spend 18 months building the roster, hiring good talent, cutting dead weight then spend 18 months building mainstream awareness. Then, at about three years in, take the company public. With the funds that would raise, bring in high-priced talent from around the world. Then retire after roughly five years, at age fifty. Apparently, he had deatiled plans on how to go about each stage of this.
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Post by TPaine on Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:57 am

The medical examiner in San Antonio, TX ruled that Lance Cade's (Lance McNaught was due to an accidental ingestion of multiple drugs combined with an enlarged heart. Whether the enlarged heart was due to steroid use was not mentioned. The death was ruled accidental. The WWE reported that they had obtained e-mails from Cade to another wrestler that stated he had ordered two types of steroids and expected to fail a drug test.

Reports are that the reason the deal failed between TNA and Paul Heyman failed was because Paul wanted the right to hire and fire and he wasn't granted that power. Could it be that Sleaze E.'s and Hogan's overblown egos killed the deal?

Finally, the word is that Sting is retiring when his contract is up at the end of the year and that he will be inactive until then due to a shoulder injury.
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