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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:41 pm

Even Jesus said there were things the Father knows that Jesus did not-i.e. the day an hour of return-obviously as Human vessel-the earthly unressureccted Jesus could not contain all the attribute if Deity
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Post by jumbojava on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:43 pm

gillyflower wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
Davelaw wrote:well, actually he does

He has followers in every country and every religion-I was just being provacative-the only real requirements are that you stay away from a lifestyle of continual iniquity-sin for sin sin's sake/ evil for evil's sake and follow the one God in the way revealed to you (of course I believe His ultimate form is in th eperson of Jesus-but thats my belief)
Then it's clear god doesnt want me to be Christian and is okay with that.

He really is. Doesn't it make you think that a whole lot of people who follow Yahweh were never meant to do so, since they don't hear him either?
Oh, I've heard him. And he has no need for me to be Christian, or Jewish.
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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:43 pm

I couldn't find a scripture about people not hearing God; but here is one about God not hearing people

Ps 66:18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:
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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:44 pm

jumbojava wrote:
gillyflower wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
Davelaw wrote:well, actually he does

He has followers in every country and every religion-I was just being provacative-the only real requirements are that you stay away from a lifestyle of continual iniquity-sin for sin sin's sake/ evil for evil's sake and follow the one God in the way revealed to you (of course I believe His ultimate form is in th eperson of Jesus-but thats my belief)
Then it's clear god doesnt want me to be Christian and is okay with that.

He really is. Doesn't it make you think that a whole lot of people who follow Yahweh were never meant to do so, since they don't hear him either?
Oh, I've heard him. And he has no need for me to be Christian, or Jewish.

at least not in this life
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Post by gillyflower on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:45 pm

When I was talking to Yahweh I didn't have iniquity in my heart. He heard me just fine when I told him I was leaving.

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Post by gillyflower on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:46 pm

Davelaw wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
gillyflower wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
Davelaw wrote:well, actually he does

He has followers in every country and every religion-I was just being provacative-the only real requirements are that you stay away from a lifestyle of continual iniquity-sin for sin sin's sake/ evil for evil's sake and follow the one God in the way revealed to you (of course I believe His ultimate form is in th eperson of Jesus-but thats my belief)
Then it's clear god doesnt want me to be Christian and is okay with that.

He really is. Doesn't it make you think that a whole lot of people who follow Yahweh were never meant to do so, since they don't hear him either?
Oh, I've heard him. And he has no need for me to be Christian, or Jewish.

at least not in this life

So you believe in reincarnation?

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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:46 pm

gillyflower wrote:When I was talking to Yahweh I didn't have iniquity in my heart. He heard me just fine when I told him I was leaving.

I remember the story
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Post by jumbojava on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:46 pm

Davelaw wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
gillyflower wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
Davelaw wrote:well, actually he does

He has followers in every country and every religion-I was just being provacative-the only real requirements are that you stay away from a lifestyle of continual iniquity-sin for sin sin's sake/ evil for evil's sake and follow the one God in the way revealed to you (of course I believe His ultimate form is in th eperson of Jesus-but thats my belief)
Then it's clear god doesnt want me to be Christian and is okay with that.

He really is. Doesn't it make you think that a whole lot of people who follow Yahweh were never meant to do so, since they don't hear him either?
Oh, I've heard him. And he has no need for me to be Christian, or Jewish.

at least not in this life
?
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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:46 pm

gillyflower wrote:
Davelaw wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
gillyflower wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
Davelaw wrote:well, actually he does

He has followers in every country and every religion-I was just being provacative-the only real requirements are that you stay away from a lifestyle of continual iniquity-sin for sin sin's sake/ evil for evil's sake and follow the one God in the way revealed to you (of course I believe His ultimate form is in th eperson of Jesus-but thats my belief)
Then it's clear god doesnt want me to be Christian and is okay with that.

He really is. Doesn't it make you think that a whole lot of people who follow Yahweh were never meant to do so, since they don't hear him either?
Oh, I've heard him. And he has no need for me to be Christian, or Jewish.

at least not in this life

So you believe in reincarnation?

no, the Life to come
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Post by jumbojava on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:49 pm

Davelaw wrote:
gillyflower wrote:
Davelaw wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
gillyflower wrote:
jumbojava wrote:
Davelaw wrote:well, actually he does

He has followers in every country and every religion-I was just being provacative-the only real requirements are that you stay away from a lifestyle of continual iniquity-sin for sin sin's sake/ evil for evil's sake and follow the one God in the way revealed to you (of course I believe His ultimate form is in th eperson of Jesus-but thats my belief)
Then it's clear god doesnt want me to be Christian and is okay with that.

He really is. Doesn't it make you think that a whole lot of people who follow Yahweh were never meant to do so, since they don't hear him either?
Oh, I've heard him. And he has no need for me to be Christian, or Jewish.

at least not in this life

So you believe in reincarnation?

no, the Life to come
Are there going to be only Christians in the next life?
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Re: If you ask you will recieve.

Post by gillyflower on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:50 pm

Why in the world would non-Christians ever want to go to the Christian heaven? Why wouldn't we want to go to our own afterlives with our own Gods?

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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:50 pm

they will be resurrected as non Christians; but every knee shall bow
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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:52 pm

gillyflower wrote:Why in the world would non-Christians ever want to go to the Christian heaven? Why wouldn't we want to go to our own afterlives with our own Gods?

I'm still silly enough to believe there is a Most High God
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Post by gillyflower on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:52 pm

No they won't. My knees will bow to my own Gods, who really don't require that.

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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:53 pm

Bye for now-gonna watch the only thing i could find on rebox

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Post by jumbojava on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:53 pm

gillyflower wrote:Why in the world would non-Christians ever want to go to the Christian heaven? Why wouldn't we want to go to our own afterlives with our own Gods?
I never understood that either. Neutral


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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:54 pm

gillyflower wrote:No they won't. My knees will bow to my own Gods, who really don't require that.

once they have been conquered the knees wil bow
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Post by gillyflower on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:54 pm

Davelaw wrote:
gillyflower wrote:Why in the world would non-Christians ever want to go to the Christian heaven? Why wouldn't we want to go to our own afterlives with our own Gods?

I'm still silly enough to believe there is a Most High God

Dave it isn't silly. You have your god and you believe that he is Top God. You probably can understand that there are many pantheons of gods, and the other gods (and their followers) don't think of your god as Top God. He still can be first in your heart but honestly, my following your god will in no way improve your own relationship with your god.

Ed. to add: You wouldn't want to go to my afterlife either.


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Post by TPaine on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:54 pm

Is asking for something in a prayer the right thing to do whether it works or not? In Voltaire'a Philosophical Dictionary under the topic Dieu: God there is an imaginary conversation between Logomacos, a theologan from Constantanople, and Dondiddac, a shepherd from Scythia. One part of the conversation goes as follows:
LOGOMACOS:
Let us see if you know your catechism. Why do you pray to God?
DONDINDAC:
Because it is right to worship the Supreme Being from whom we hold everything.
LOGOMACOS:
Not bad for a barbarian! And what do you ask of him?
DONDINDAC :
I thank Him for the benefits I enjoy, and even for the ills with which he tries me; but I take good care not to ask Him for anything; He knows better than us what we need, and besides, I am afraid to ask Him for good weather when my neighbour is asking for rain.
To see the whole entry, the link is:
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/voltaire/volgod.html
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Post by jumbojava on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:55 pm

Davelaw wrote:they will be resurrected as non Christians; but every knee shall bow
Why would I bow to a god that I have no desire to worship?
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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:56 pm

jumbojava wrote:
Davelaw wrote:they will be resurrected as non Christians; but every knee shall bow
Why would I bow to a god that I have no desire to worship?

because that what prisoners of war do
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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:58 pm

TPaine wrote:Is asking for something in a prayer the right thing to do whether it works or not? In Voltaire'a Philosophical Dictionary under the topic Dieu: God there is an imaginary conversation between Logomacos, a theologan from Constantanople, and Dondiddac, a shepherd from Scythia. One part of the conversation goes as follows:
LOGOMACOS:
Let us see if you know your catechism. Why do you pray to God?
DONDINDAC:
Because it is right to worship the Supreme Being from whom we hold everything.
LOGOMACOS:
Not bad for a barbarian! And what do you ask of him?
DONDINDAC :
I thank Him for the benefits I enjoy, and even for the ills with which he tries me; but I take good care not to ask Him for anything; He knows better than us what we need, and besides, I am afraid to ask Him for good weather when my neighbour is asking for rain.
To see the whole entry, the link is:
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/voltaire/volgod.html

point taken ; but i think the point of asking for things in prayer-is subtle behavior modification-He slowly transforms us to change our want to's
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Re: If you ask you will recieve.

Post by jumbojava on Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:01 pm

Davelaw wrote:
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Davelaw wrote:they will be resurrected as non Christians; but every knee shall bow
Why would I bow to a god that I have no desire to worship?

because that what prisoners of war do
Prisoners? What, he tells me he's fine I'm not a Christain only to abduct me later and demand I become a worshiper???

So he DID lie.
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Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:02 pm

all other gods and their followers will be defeated at the end of time
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Post by gillyflower on Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:02 pm

Davelaw wrote:
gillyflower wrote:No they won't. My knees will bow to my own Gods, who really don't require that.

once they have been conquered the knees wil bow

Now your Colonial Imperialism is showing.

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