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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:55 am

John T Mainer wrote:You can get Torchwood on Spacecast.com or the Canadian Space network. I'm a die hard Torchwood fan, its been the best Sci-Fi since Farscape ended.


Argh, now I know how you guys feel with hulu!

I never realized that the internet was so regional.

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Post by Ebon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:02 pm

allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote: Argh, now I know how you guys feel with hulu!

I never realized that the internet was so regional.

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That's nothing. I had to spoof our IP addy just so I could watch Colbert.
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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:06 pm

That's crap. I thought the internet was supposed to be about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas!
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Post by Ebon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:21 pm

Works in theory...

The problem is that the webway is currently the battleground in a struggle between people like me who believe it should be a wild west of free exchange of data where law enforcement is slightly rough and ready and liable to bother only with the most serious crimes; and a coalition of big business (who want the webway regulated so they can more easily profit from it) and government (who want the ability to firstly, stifle dissent and secondly, keep the donations from big business coming).

For a few examples, see the music industry's hamfisted determination to keep a distribution paradigm that just isn't working and especially their prosecutions of people downloading content they can't get anywhere else (I had to download the Carter USM catalogue, which I would have been happy to pay for but it's been out of print for years); "net neutrality" (a scheme to limit the webway presence of all but the most commercial/approved vendors) and region-locking (you can only watch the Daily Show, Colbert and a few others if you're using a USA IP addy).
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Post by MaineCaptain on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:47 pm

I did not realize until recently that the internet was regional either, that really sucks, again at the mercy or lack there of, of those in power.

It should be completely open, with the exception of childporn and similar dangers to the most vulnerable of us, IMO.

Everything else should be easily accessible regardless of where you are from.

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Post by Ebon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:56 pm

I'd fully agree with that. Kiddie porn comes under the heading of the "most serious crimes" that I mentioned above. If the webway is the Old West, a Wyatt Earp to enforce some rough and ready kind of law is no big deal.

That said, the webway does a reasonable job of policing itself. The FBI, based on arrest records, interviews and some educated guesswork, estimates that kiddie porn makes up less than one tenth of one percent of webway traffic. Also, see Anonymous's ongoing war on Scientology and the arrests of Chris Forcand and Kenny Glenn, both tracked down by Anonymous.
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Post by MaineCaptain on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:12 pm

WOW, thank you for the information Ebon.

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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:13 pm

I'm an anarchist, so you can probably tell where I land on that spectrum. Very Happy

If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.

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Post by Ebon on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:35 pm

Given that the webway was originally anarchistic (and still is, in large part), it's pretty easy to guess Smile And I, for one, like it that way. I'm a much bigger believer in the free market of ideas than I am in the actual free market and the webway is the epitome of that. Set up your own little corner of virtuality and if you have something worth saying, people will find it. You have to have a little law enforcement for stuff like kiddie porn and a little organisation for technical reasons but beyond that, let 'em go.

The conservatives that paint themselves as libertarians should love the webway. You can say what you like, do what you like, just the free exchange of ideas and information. And yet, who was pushing the "net neutrality" (i.e. corporate control of the webway) bill hardest? You guessed it. The conservative pundits loathe the webway because they get called on their bullshit.

One thing you can do: Sound an alarm every time you see the term "net neutrality". In typical Orwellian fashion, it's not neutrality at all, it's about corporate and state control. Support the creation of .sex and/or .xxx domains (a way of allowing schools and libraries to more easily filter out porn without actually censoring it). Avoid any laws on internet content, especially if they're pushed as "for the children" (any time someone restricts your freedoms, they will claim it's for the sake of the kiddies). Grok your sysad.
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Post by gillyflower on Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:44 pm

I have a question for those of you who seem to like science fiction - do you think a series of Dr. Who books would be read?

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Post by Davelaw on Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:07 pm

They always have been. Both the paperbacks and the comic books have been very popular at times-especially during the Tom Baker years-those paper backs have a Harlan Ellison forward. Why do you ask?
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Post by Davelaw on Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:14 pm

Ebon wrote:

The conservatives that paint themselves as libertarians should love the webway. You can say what you like, do what you like, just the free exchange of ideas and information. And yet, who was pushing the "net neutrality" (i.e. corporate control of the webway) bill hardest? You guessed it. The conservative pundits loathe the webway because they get called on their bullshit.
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which is why i was bothered by Clancey's fictional creation of the NET FORCE we don't people with guns and super computers overpolicing the Internet
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Post by Davelaw on Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:49 pm

will be starting the last of Torchwood mini-series in just a few minutes
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Post by gillyflower on Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:53 pm

Davelaw wrote:They always have been. Both the paperbacks and the comic books have been very popular at times-especially during the Tom Baker years-those paper backs have a Harlan Ellison forward. Why do you ask?

I'm buying for a new library now and a series of Dr. Who books came up. I wondered if there would be any interested folks who would read them if I went out on a limb and ordered them. (Not that anyone would complain until maybe they saw them on their shelves, but still, I don't like to order books that just sit there.)

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Post by gillyflower on Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:54 pm

Well, now, I've seen 1 and 2 of Torchwood, the children arc, tonight and all I can say is WOW!!! It really is outstanding. I'm so glad that I started watching! Thanks!

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Post by Davelaw on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:05 pm

gillyflower wrote:
Davelaw wrote:They always have been. Both the paperbacks and the comic books have been very popular at times-especially during the Tom Baker years-those paper backs have a Harlan Ellison forward. Why do you ask?

I'm buying for a new library now and a series of Dr. Who books came up. I wondered if there would be any interested folks who would read them if I went out on a limb and ordered them. (Not that anyone would complain until maybe they saw them on their shelves, but still, I don't like to order books that just sit there.)

I would think the 12 to 16 year old crowd would still read them; but they do lean more towards fantasy then when I was that age
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Post by Ebon on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:01 am

Davelaw wrote: which is why i was bothered by Clancey's fictional creation of the NET FORCE we don't people with guns and super computers overpolicing the Internet

Quite. If given the choice between Bat Masterson and Al Bester, I'm siding with the guy with the six-gun.

Clancy, on this occasion, was overreacting to the internet backdraft from his increasingly hard-line political stances but he did bring something to light. NET FORCE were really just an electronic equivelent of the Soviet cheka, secret police acting for society's masters. No-one is saying the webway can be or should be entirely free of law (although, as said, we do a pretty good job of policing our own) but there's a big difference between enforcing the genuinely necessary laws (i.e. preventing kiddie porn) and acting as the enforcement arm of the megacorporations (i.e. the RIAA's slash-and-burn tactics) and/or the state.

Everyone sees the need for the former and netizens have been pretty good about helping out on that score but if corporations and the state refuse to adapt, so sad, too bad, bye bye.
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Post by Ebon on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:03 am

The Who books have always been healthy sellers here. Their height was when teh Cartmel masterplan had to be finished out in the books because the show went on hiatus but even now, they sell in decent numbers.

Having seen Day Five, perhaps you guys can see why it's going to be so difficult to do a season four now?
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Post by Davelaw on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:31 am

yes and no


as long as Gwen is there - she could slowly salvage the tech, have Ms Abiba as her PA and recruit the security force woman as her muscle

and have Jack beam in from outer space at the end of the series for the finale
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Post by Ebon on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:42 am

Oh dear gods, not The Gwen Show. Quite a lot of the fanbase loathe Gwen, partly because she's been written as a Mary Sue (perfect in every way) and partly because the character never, ever gets called out when she screws up (primary example being "Adrift" where her recklessness ruins lives). Gwen is not a strong enough character to carry the show and Rhys is just annoying.

That said, I have got some ideas how to bring back the show: Pull a Ianto clone from an alternative universe (it's sci-fi, we can get away with it); bring in a semi-repentent John Hart as a regular (I love the character and not just because James Marsters is sexy as hell); kill off Rhys (Gwen needs some angst and he's just annoying) and assign a new medic and techie (Torchwood is a military installation, they'd get new people assigned to needed roles).
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Post by DotNotInOz on Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:17 am

Well, hell! I was rather hoping they'd do something really adventurous and spectacular and kill off Gwen, too. Somewhat disappointing that they chose to uphold the "sanctity of impending motherhood."

Really, when the focus of the series has been on human ignorance, venality and crass stupidity, then they fall back on that trite fossil of the promise inherent in reproduction.

Should have killed off Gwen and let Ianto survive to reorganize the team with Jack, bringing John Hart in as a regular "Torchie." That could have been interesting!
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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:03 am

Now, some of carry semi-autos. What can I say, the ammo is much cheaper when you compare 9mm vs .38, or even .45 ACP v .45 Colt. Practice, practice, practice!

I can see how it would be difficult to write a season 4, Russel T. Davies said he had a plan in the behind the scenes for a season 4 if the BBC will have them back.

Here's how I could see it working out....

I don't remember all the names off the top of my head right now, but...

Gwen, only as a consultant. Her character was kind of flat anyway, and now she has a family. The torch (so to speak) is passed off to the two gals who wore the contacts and the military police gal who sided with Cap Jack in day five.

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Post by John T Mainer on Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:09 am

Given that she had Rhys in tow, there is no way she would have drawn the combat assignments; he's just a civilian and a rather large slow moving target.

Yanto and Jack were the ones free to make the aggressive moves, Rhys as the backup, Gwen as the liason (blackmailer). That makes sense. Given that position, she was able to subvert the gov't muscle, because oddly enough the people willing to risk their lives, and most probably end up in an unmarked grave in a "training accident" without even the benefit of your families knowing you fell in combat, didn't sign up to help murder their own civilians children. Again having a pregnant woman do that adds to the leverage, its a human weak point, and Jack is a cold ba$tard who would use it without thought.

I would have had the police officer not remove his uniform before piling on to help try (and fail) to save the kids. What a more powerful image, then the troops battling the police and the parents to steal children to be sold to aliens as slaves (bio-heroin)?

Jack has traded one child for the safety of the world before, that is consistent for him. There are things he has always recognized he could not stand against. The thing about imortality is that after laying down your life against the unbeatable foe, when you wake up again, you still have to deal with the problem. Falling on your sword just ruins your shirt, and wastes time. Sometimes you have to feed the minotaur, sometimes you need to use one of your own family as the sacrifice to save millions. Sometimes there is necessary evil, and if you are the person that has made that choice before, there is no reason to let another share that burden.

Did anyone else recognize the futility of the 10%. The major seemed to. When they were told the children made chemicals that made the aliens "feel good" the gov't should have realized that 12 children fed the hunger that demanded millions of children; how many junkies would millions make? How desperate would they become when their drug problem spread through the whole of their race? How hard not to come back for 20%, after all, we paid before, and if we were going to fight it would have been then right?

Pay the Danegeld, and never be rid of the Dane. You'd think the English of all people would have remembered.

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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:16 am

How long before they decide to take everyone of reproductive age in addition to the children so that they don't have to go through the process of taking them again? Wouldn't it just be a matter of time before they decided on "domestication"?

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Post by Davelaw on Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:21 am

except I get the impression that the 456 are not representative of their whole race but are a minority rogue element; in a hostle environment with unbreathable gases-you could krp the drug alive (a child) but not support whole breeding groups fpr domestication not without the resources of the whole race
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