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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:15 am

Jesus is the human maniofestation of the Logos

the Logos is part of the unlimited God

Jesus is flesh; how could flesh be unlimited? that would be one of those heresies where Jesus only pretended to be human but was in fact entirely divine
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:18 am

Davelaw wrote:Jesus is the human manifestation of the Logos

the Logos is part of the unlimited God

So The Logos alone does not equate to the unlimited God?

Jesus is flesh; how could flesh be unlimited? that would be one of those heresies where Jesus only pretended to be human but was in fact entirely divine

So was Jesus divine now or wasn't he?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:20 am

Yes; but but I can't explain it fully
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:21 am

Davelaw wrote:Yes; but but I can't explain it fully

Then how can you claim to know or understand this?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:22 am

I explain the best i know
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:24 am

Davelaw wrote:I explain the best i know

That was not the question though: How can you claim to know or understand this when you can't explain it? How can you claim that the concept is not irrational and illogical but fail to explain why?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:27 am

good question;

so in your world if it can not be explained by reason; its irrational

if its not reduced to logic -its illogical

I gave you tow rational explanations at the geginning analogies as it were- that does not mean either answer all questions or are complete explanations
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:30 am

Davelaw wrote:good question;

so in your world if it can not be explained by reason; its irrational

Yes. Or wishful thinking.

if its not reduced to logic -its illogical

If something isn't logical it has to be logical.

I gave you tow rational explanations at the geginning analogies as it were- that does not mean either answer all questions or are complete explanations

Your analogies failed as I and another poster have pointed out.

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:31 am

no, they didn't

y'all just didn't like them
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:33 am

Davelaw wrote:no, they didn't

y'all just didn't like them

I'm sorry but they failed.

In the case of father, brother and husband, there still is only ONE person. With different FUNCTIONS.

The father doesn't equate to the person.
The brother doesn't equate to the person.
The husband doesn't equate to the person.

All three are but FUNCTIONS of the same person.

Yet the entities composing the trinity are supposed to be more than just functions of the same being, right?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:51 am

no. there is only one GOD
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:31 pm

Davelaw wrote:no. there is only one GOD

So if there is only ONE God then did this God 'die' at the cross? If not, who did then?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:35 pm

the man Jesus died on the cross
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:36 pm

Davelaw wrote:the man Jesus died on the cross

only the man Jesus?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:38 pm

God can't die
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:03 pm

Davelaw wrote:God can't die

So the man Jesus wasn't God?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:07 pm

the God part didn't die
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:33 pm

Davelaw wrote:the God part didn't die

you mean 'The Son' part didn't die?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by DotNotInOz on Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:51 pm

The Catholic response to that would be that only the human aspect of Jesus could die; thus, only the physical body of Jesus died. The Son of God part is, of course, eternal. A nun once attempted to explain this to my catechism class as being akin to the "fact" that the human soul is also eternal. Now, where any proof of that can be found makes your guess as good as mine. Her explanation was that the Holy Spirit has revealed this profound truth about Jesus's dual nature to the minds of "receptive" people (read: those prepared to exercise willing suspension of disbelief, IMO). But, of course, you're not supposed to question any of this stuff because if you do, that gets into the realm of blasphemy--denying that God has the power to do all these things, so Catholics are pretty much prohibited from doubting such obviously illogical concepts about what aspects of God can do.
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:04 pm

DotNotInOz wrote:The Catholic response to that would be that only the human aspect of Jesus could die; thus, only the physical body of Jesus died. The Son of God part is, of course, eternal. A nun once attempted to explain this to my catechism class as being akin to the "fact" that the human soul is also eternal. Now, where any proof of that can be found makes your guess as good as mine. Her explanation was that the Holy Spirit has revealed this profound truth about Jesus's dual nature to the minds of "receptive" people (read: those prepared to exercise willing suspension of disbelief, IMO). But, of course, you're not supposed to question any of this stuff because if you do, that gets into the realm of blasphemy--denying that God has the power to do all these things, so Catholics are pretty much prohibited from doubting such obviously illogical concepts about what aspects of God can do.

did the human Jesus know that he was used by the divine Jesus?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by DotNotInOz on Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:22 pm

No more so, as far as I know, than any one of us could be said to be "used" by our immortal soul. Jesus simply got to do lots of cool miracle stuff by dint of being fully human and fully God all in one. (Don't ask me how that works. I never could get a straight answer from anybody other than, "Just have faith," the standard copout when something doesn't make any kind of logical sense.)
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:24 pm

would Jesus has God's DNA make more sense to you?
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:30 pm

Davelaw wrote:would Jesus has God's DNA make more sense to you?

I'm not sure I understand ... so BibleGod has actual DNA?

And how about this question: did the human Jesus know that he was being used by the divine Jesus?

and this one: you mean 'The Son' part didn't die?

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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Davelaw on Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:32 pm

the LOgos or the Son? is that what you mean-i'm confused by the term Divine Jesus
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Re: Revisiting the Concept of the Trinity.

Post by Daldianus on Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:33 pm

Davelaw wrote:the LOgos or the Son? is that what you mean-i'm confused by the term Divine Jesus

lol, I'm confused by your multiple Gods and titles Laughing

so The Son and The Logos are not the same??

Geez ... you really should spell out the pedigree of that family Wink

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