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Post by Davelaw on Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:59 pm

it doesn't work that way-feeling good is not relativistic
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Post by Daldianus on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:32 am

Davelaw wrote:it doesn't work that way-feeling good is not relativistic

Huh? How do you mean?

So your brother is doing these things because being less bored makes him feel bad?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:42 am

neither bad no good; just less bored; otherwise its value nuetral
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Post by Daldianus on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:43 am

Davelaw wrote:neither bad no good; just less bored; otherwise its value nuetral

neutral? so less bored = more bored?

how can you differentiate between more and less bored then??

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:45 am

less bored is neither happy or sad-its occupies time
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Post by Daldianus on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:46 am

Davelaw wrote:less bored is neither happy or sad-its occupies time

I'm not talking about happy or sad.

Does feeling less bored make on feel better or worse?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:01 am

neither; it just occupies time


sociopaths think they are above such mundane emotions-they understand them and manipulate them in others but don't think they are bound by good or evil/ better or worse-
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Post by Daldianus on Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:08 am

Davelaw wrote:neither; it just occupies time

I'm sorry but you're just trying to escape the question because you don't like the answer.

Being less bored is EITHER better or worse than being more bored.

And harming people makes EITHER more fun or less fun than watching TV.

sociopaths think they are above such mundane emotions-they understand them and manipulate them in others but don't think they are bound by good or evil/ better or worse-

They think this because they're unable to feel the same kind of emotions that we do. They're unable to feel compassion. It's a mental defect.

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Re: Bad People

Post by Willowcreek70633 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:07 am

Wink So I'm hearing the old adage here?

An idle mind is the devil's workshop?"
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Re: Bad People

Post by sacrificialgoddess on Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:22 am

I'm starting to hear Buffy quotes here:

Willow: "Bored now. This is the part that's less fun. When there
isn't any screaming."

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Re: Bad People

Post by Willowcreek70633 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:45 am

Razz SG, your sooo throwed off!

Really? Bored! I had a friend of mine 5yr old daughter tell me exactly that. "I'm bored"...Little wench, was cotooded (sp?) to, spoiled, had every toy from Walmart, watched TV constantly, wasn't ALLOWED to get dirty, never went outside to play, ran rampant over her mother, she was a bully to her younger sister....(get the picture?!!!)
I was surprised that a 5yr old even KNEW such a word as 'BORED". I was surprised, so I said "Well, would you like something to do?" She nodded. I took her young ass outside, as I started picking up some sticks in the back yard. She asked me "What are you doing?" I said "Playing, you want to play?" Well, within seconds she pitched in ! We were "playing"! We were tossing sticks into the burn pile, & playing sword fights, we were seeing who could pick up the straightest, or most crooked stick. She got dirty, even played up a little sweat, she enjoyed herself emmencly & wanted to come visit & do it again....see guys BORED? Its all in how you view the world around you. bounce
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Re: Bad People

Post by sacrificialgoddess on Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:07 am

So, no VampWillow?



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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:10 am

i Agee; but a sociapath has less to constrain them and so has more things they can do to keep from being bored. They look at life like Hilary did everest-why did you do that heinous act? Because I could; echoing because it was there.

They are intelligent and they have a fear of getting caught; but no other social restraining mechanism.
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Post by Daldianus on Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:30 am

Davelaw wrote:i Agee; but a sociapath has less to constrain them and so has more things they can do to keep from being bored. They look at life like Hilary did everest-why did you do that heinous act? Because I could; echoing because it was there.

They are intelligent and they have a fear of getting caught; but no other social restraining mechanism.

Hillary did the Everest because he felt the urge to do it. He was motivated to do it. He planned to do it.

He didn't just do it by random chance, did he?

The same goes for your brother: he harms people because he likes to do it. For some unfortunate reason he feels the urge to harm people instead of simply watching TV. 'Being bored' doesn't address the question. The point is WHAT he does to lessen his boredom. And he does something that, for him, feels better than not doing it.

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Re: Bad People

Post by Guest on Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:06 am

Davelaw wrote:John, how do you explain my brother and I being raised basically identically with him being whats amounts to being a sociopath and me being who I am?

Trust me; he was never abused or harmed (if anything he might have been coddled more than me being the youngest-but he was harming other kids and animals from a young age and you know where he live now. TDCJ-ID

If what you're saying is true about him perhaps being coddled more, then the answer is quite possibly looking you right in the face. No one taught him that he can't always have his way. I understand the dilemma, Dave. I read recently that we humans are guilty of steeling other's energy. It's a manipulative game we as individuals play to make ourselves feel more important. Your brother seems to have mastered this art. We are generally taught that in polite circles that we don't interrupt. We are taught certain rules of behavior. Some people seem to crave the attention, and will even resort to negative behavior to get what they need. In many ways it's no different than the alcoholic who craves that drink, or the crack head who needs another rock. This need for attention gets to the point to where it takes more and more to satisfy the cravings.

If I'm reading your post correctly, someone gave in to his plays for attention.... willingly or not. Remember what I said about the negative attention..... even when getting spanked for bad behavior, it's attention all the same. When I said I understood the dilemma, I meant every word of it. My middle child is in this same category. Where he was told by his teachers, psychologists and others that he is the way he is because he fell into that "middle child syndrome" he didn't take it as something to work on, and possibly over come, but as an excuse for bad behavior. And spankings only reinforced the idea that he was a bad, and what he did was just proving the point, and there was nothing that could be done. Things were just the way they are. He still plays this part even today at 23. Bad relationships with siblings, failed marriage, inability to hold a job, and then there's the drug and alcohol abuse. Even today, I have sleepless nights where he's concerned.

The problem is that he has a winning smile, and basically a sweet disposition. But he needs this attention, and will get it by any means possible.

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:11 pm

youngest child syndrome possibly
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Post by Daldianus on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:21 pm

Davelaw wrote:youngest child syndrome possibly

Maybe. But too bad that you're ignoring my other posts.

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:44 pm

because they are inaccurate
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Re: Bad People

Post by Chokmah on Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:46 pm

Some people are just born a few bricks shy of a full load. Some people are just defective... and we don't know why. It seems the Creator needs some tighter standards when making us... we humans pay a terrible price for shoddy manufacturing standards and then, to add insult to injury, we are held accountable for all eternity for someone else's negligence!



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Re: Bad People

Post by Guest on Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:09 pm

Davelaw wrote:youngest child syndrome possibly

And that can be the case too. Especially if he is born when the parents are "late in life". Any way you look at it, a lot of the reasons can be traced back to upbringing in some form or fashion. And there's more than one way to abuse a child, Dave. Lack of discipline can be just as destructive in the long run as too damn much discipline. Kids don't come equipped with instruction manuals; and I've seen first hand that siblings aren't always the best when it comes to making proper evaluations. Tell me.... is psychopath really an accurate description? Neutral

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:13 pm

no, sociopath
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:27 pm

Davelaw wrote:because they are inaccurate

You've still not explained how being less bored could be felt as something more negative than feeling more bored? Rolling Eyes

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:38 pm

that seems to be your problem in comprehension
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:42 pm

Davelaw wrote:that seems to be your problem in comprehension

To me it's seems like your refusal to explain your statement is the problem ...

So please tell me: how can feeling less bored not be a more positive feeling than feeling more bored?

And if there is, according to you, no difference between feeling less bored and more bored then why do we use the words 'less' and 'more'???

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:30 pm

a person with more options has more opportunities
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