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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:19 pm

one definition is that psychopaths have organic defects

while sociopaths have no noticeable genetic or organic defect

(so are assumed to have an environmental factors)

also psychopaths are generally unable to assimilate in society whereas as sociopaths hide among us can live for years without an anti-social action
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Re: Bad People

Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:23 pm

Interesting, I had always been taught that there was no observable difference.
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:04 am

Davelaw wrote:good question? i don't know the answer-what do Vulcan's base their behavior on?

I suspect: cost/ benefit analysis

Why would they opt for the better rather than the worse cost/benefit result?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:05 am

Davelaw wrote:
allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:
Celsus wrote:
So what do intelligent sociopaths base their behavior on if not emotions and feelings?

If anything, a code that has been imprinted.

that would be psychopaths; but then you don't believe in free will

Free will is overrated and an illusion anyway.

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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:06 am

Davelaw wrote:one definition is that psychopaths have organic defects

while sociopaths have no noticeable genetic or organic defect

(so are assumed to have an environmental factors)

also psychopaths are generally unable to assimilate in society whereas as sociopaths hide among us can live for years without an anti-social action

so sociopaths, unlike psychopaths, do evil things simply because they're ... evil in their soul?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:03 am

basically, and they have calculated that they can get away with it
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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:04 am

Celsus wrote:
Davelaw wrote:
allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:
Celsus wrote:
So what do intelligent sociopaths base their behavior on if not emotions and feelings?

If anything, a code that has been imprinted.

that would be psychopaths; but then you don't believe in free will

Free will is overrated and an illusion anyway.

determination is over-rated
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:39 am

Davelaw wrote:basically, and they have calculated that they can get away with it

and thinking that they can get away with it makes them feel good or bad?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:40 am

Davelaw wrote:
Celsus wrote:
Davelaw wrote:
allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:
Celsus wrote:
So what do intelligent sociopaths base their behavior on if not emotions and feelings?

If anything, a code that has been imprinted.

that would be psychopaths; but then you don't believe in free will

Free will is overrated and an illusion anyway.

determination is over-rated

You had to say that, given your prior history (on which your mind set etc are the result of).

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:25 am

Celsus wrote:
Davelaw wrote:basically, and they have calculated that they can get away with it

and thinking that they can get away with it makes them feel good or bad?

still missing the point-if they actually get away with doing what they know society would harshly punish them for-they may feel relief
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Re: Bad People

Post by John T Mainer on Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:51 am

Celsus wrote:
Free will is overrated and an illusion anyway.

Free will is a fact. Predestination is a crutch for those who wish to escape responsibility for their own actions and fate.

All my life I have heard people telling me that I must be x because my father was, or I must be y because I was meant to be that. All my life I have been told that I cannot fight against fate. I have snickered as I worked MY will upon the world as I saw fit. While my will has been thwarted by the will of others, that is the contention of men and women's own will in shaping their own fate, not the work of some predestined fate.

I have seen people with potential greater than my own get crapped upon because they were "submitting to the will of god". Which seems to equate with lying in the middle of the train tracks and accepting the oncoming freight train when you could get up and walk away.

As much as history is shaped by great forces born from the needs of whole peoples, time and again its course is altered by strong men and women who put their hand against the skein of the world and twist it to their liking. These were not men and women destined for greatness, these were men and women who chose to forge their own destiny.

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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:10 am

Davelaw wrote:
Celsus wrote:
Davelaw wrote:basically, and they have calculated that they can get away with it

and thinking that they can get away with it makes them feel good or bad?

still missing the point-if they actually get away with doing what they know society would harshly punish them for-they may feel relief

you're still avoiding the question ... Rolling Eyes

the point is WHY they are doing what they are doing. and the answer is of course that they feel BETTER doing it than if they would NOT do it. I can't understand why you refuse to acknowledge this?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:37 am

Because, i don't believe they feel anything at all-either better or worse

If they could feel; they wouldn't be sociopathic
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:17 pm

Davelaw wrote:Because, i don't believe they feel anything at all-either better or worse

If they could feel; they wouldn't be sociopathic

Sadists feel. They just feel in weird and sick ways. They enjoy hurting others. Same for masochists, they enjoy pain.

Same for sociopaths. They enjoy what they are doing, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Or are you claiming that sociopaths behave the way they do because it makes them feel bad?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:32 pm

I don't agree; i think they do good and evil and feel nothing at all-either way
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Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:34 pm

Davelaw wrote:I don't agree; i think they do good and evil and feel nothing at all-either way

If they don't feel anything then how could they know whether or not something they are doing is right or wrong?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:37 pm

because they are emotionally unattached-which is the standard definition of sociopathy

yet are intelligent enough to know what others think-they know the standards; but have no personal ties to them
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Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:44 pm

Davelaw wrote:because they are emotionally unattached-which is the standard definition of sociopathy

yet are intelligent enough to know what others think-they know the standards; but have no personal ties to them

but why would they want to harm other people if they themselves feel neither good or bad about this? random chance?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:45 pm

because they feel no restrictions-its just another choice of things to do
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Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:08 pm

Davelaw wrote:because they feel no restrictions-its just another choice of things to do

another random thing to do? or are they doing it with INTENT?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:11 pm

i would assume some sort of intent

but if they did an act of kindness -I would say the same thing
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Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:14 pm

Davelaw wrote:i would assume some sort of intent

but if they did an act of kindness -I would say the same thing

ok, so now there's some intent after all. what is their intent then when they're hurting other people?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:16 pm

same as when they help someone to achieve whatever greater purpose they have in mind
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Post by Daldianus on Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:19 pm

Davelaw wrote:same as when they help someone to achieve whatever greater purpose they have in mind

what greater purpose would sociopaths have in mind? and how would they decide what this purpose should be?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:30 pm

who knows; they are egoists and deluded-it could be anything
to learn about something-they may take it apart (Dr Mengele); if someone trespasses on their property-they may kidnap them
edit// It can as simple as Marvin the Martian wanting to blow up the Earth because it blocks his view of the moon -you do know Bugs Bunny?
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