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Re: Bad People

Post by sacrificialgoddess on Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:35 pm

Davelaw wrote:a person with more options has more opportunities

Opportunities for what is the only question.

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:41 pm

for activity

the rest of us our limited by our moral compass

sociopaths have no such limitation-they may do a random act of kindness one second and a random act of evil the next-making no moral distinction between the two
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:13 pm

Davelaw wrote:a person with more options has more opportunities

You're still avoiding the question.

Tell me, dave, what feels better: to be more bored or to be less bored?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:18 pm

being less bored doesn't mean you were more bored before-thats not the usage i'm using- it just means you have more choices than others-more opportunities to occupy the time

analogy two people
both without dates
one is bi and one is hetero
doesn't the bi person have twice as many opportunities for occupying their time? that does not mean the hetero person is in any better or worse state

the state itself is nuetral
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:24 pm

Davelaw wrote:being less bored doesn't mean you were more bored before-thats not the usage i'm using- it just means you have more choices than others-more opportunities to occupy the time

analogy two people
both without dates
one is bi and one is hetero
doesn't the bi person have twice as many opportunities for occupying their time? that does not mean the hetero person is in any better or worse state

the state itself is nuetral

the point is that you said your brother was harming other people because he was bored.

so he harmed them to fight his boredom, do we agree that far?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:44 pm

then you misunderstood; he would also help because he was bored as well
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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:09 pm

you are giving "boredom" a value

i was using it to indicate a state of inactivity
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:44 am

Davelaw wrote:then you misunderstood; he would also help because he was bored as well

he would? or DID he help because he was bored?

and wouldn't you agree that it was, in both cases, to be LESS bored?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:45 am

Davelaw wrote:you are giving "boredom" a value
i was using it to indicate a state of inactivity

Boredom: Boredom is an emotional state experienced during periods lacking activity or when individuals are uninterested in the opportunities surrounding them. (wiki)

Do people feel better when they're bored or when they're not bored?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:39 am

nope, boredom is a state of inactivity

so lets just lose the word boredom-and state that sociopaths have more options for activity because they have no social restraints

and your wiki definition defines ennui
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:50 am

Davelaw wrote:nope, boredom is a state of inactivity

so what? my question is easy and straightforward: do people feel better when they're bored or when they're not bored?

your stubborn refusal to answer the question is amazing/amusing Smile

and your wiki definition defines ennui

'ennui' is French for boredom Rolling Eyes

so lets just lose the word boredom-and state that sociopaths have more options for activity because they have no social restraints

ok, so sociopaths have more options not to be, or remain, bored.

but do you agree then that the options they choose make them feel better as compared to when they've been bored?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:27 pm

NO, they just feel less bored i.e. more active

and no, ennui is an emotional state-boredom is a state of being at least in Texas usage-I'm bored-than get your ass to work
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:45 am

Davelaw wrote:NO, they just feel less bored i.e. more active

Does feeling less bored/more active make them feel better or worse than before?

and no, ennui is an emotional state-boredom is a state of being at least in Texas usage-I'm bored-than get your ass to work

What's the difference between a state of being and an emotional state??

When you're bored you don't feel great, agreed?

Geez, dave, this is getting more and more ridiculous ... why the constant try to spin this? Rolling Eyes

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:56 am

why the constant refusal to understand that i'm not talking about feeling anything?

emotions in this discussion are irrelevant-but no; being more active does not necessarily make you feel better than being less active or vice/versa
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:02 am

Davelaw wrote:why the constant refusal to understand that i'm not talking about feeling anything?

emotions in this discussion are irrelevant-but no; being more active does not necessarily make you feel better than being less active or vice/versa

no, they are not irrelevant. we CONSTANTLY FEEL something.

tell me: does being bored produce positive or negative feelings?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Beribee on Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:34 pm

Do the two of you just like to harrass each other or is there really a point to the last THREE pages of this? I'm trying to understand the basic argument. So far, my understanding is this:

Dave says that his brother hurts people simply to fill time....no emotions involved....he just wants something to do.

Celsus says that if he's bored, then he must be unhappy, so to become happy he hurts people.

Am I understanding this so far? If so, how are you EVER going to resolve this without getting Dave's brother to personally appear on this board to tell you exacty why he hurts people? Neither of you is ever going to win this argument....I have never seen two more equally stubborn men than you guys (that's a compliment, by the way). If you were my two sons, I would have made you hug each other 2 pages ago and told you to agree to disagree. So what's next gentlemen??? Very Happy Group Hug

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:21 am

beribee, you got it one and sometimes he would even be nice just to fill time no emotions involved. A good act or a bad one - they had the same value to him
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:45 am

Davelaw wrote:beribee, you got it one and sometimes he would even be nice just to fill time no emotions involved. A good act or a bad one - they had the same value to him

So he acts and behaves randomly? His preferences and actions are not based on his feelings?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:42 pm

Dave?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:15 pm

intelligent sociopaths think they are beyond emotions
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Re: Bad People

Post by Daldianus on Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:21 pm

Davelaw wrote:intelligent sociopaths think they are beyond emotions

So what do intelligent sociopaths base their behavior on if not emotions and feelings?

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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:56 pm

good question? i don't know the answer-what do Vulcan's base their behavior on?

I suspect: cost/ benefit analysis
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Re: Bad People

Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:49 pm

Celsus wrote:
So what do intelligent sociopaths base their behavior on if not emotions and feelings?

If anything, a code that has been imprinted.
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Re: Bad People

Post by Davelaw on Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:10 pm

allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:
Celsus wrote:
So what do intelligent sociopaths base their behavior on if not emotions and feelings?

If anything, a code that has been imprinted.

that would be psychopaths; but then you don't believe in free will
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Re: Bad People

Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:13 pm

No I don't.

Also, would you care to define the differences between psychopaths and sociopaths?

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