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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:55 pm

gillyflower wrote:Johnny Depp could play the anti-christ!

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Post by Gorm_Sionnach on Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:39 pm

It's one of the reasons the relationship between an individual and the Christian god, by non-Christians obviouisly, been compared to an abusive relationship. The denial, the fear, the cycle of violence (or promised violence/punishment). Mind, not every Christian holds to the "fear of God" = good Christian perspective; it is none the less rather prevalent in a diverse assortment of Christian denominations.

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Post by gillyflower on Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:03 pm

They don't seem to think things through logically, in my opinion. If you've got this vengeful angry god who is going to come back and "get" all the people who he thinks have been bad, well. A whole lot of Christians are cherry pickers and they reinterpret the passages that they don't like. No, no, Jesus didn't mean to give away all our stuff or invite strangers/homeless people into our lives and homes!

Doesn't cross their minds that they are the ones Yahweh is going to get, if they are right about him being so vengeful and angry.

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Post by MaineCaptain on Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:41 pm

Excellent point Gilly.

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Post by John T Mainer on Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:13 pm

If you believe that
1-God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolant
2-Bad things happen to good people
3-Good things happen to bad people

Three possible explanations satisfy the above premises:
a)God is capricious, incompetent, or just plain sadistic
b)God while aware and capable of improving things, just wont bother
c)Gosh but he's trying ever so hard, but the bad man is making him stop, and its ALL YOUR FAULT, because if you didn't listen to the bad man, then golly God would have you all back in paradise already.

The above arguments are popular with:

a)popular with atheists, and those who walk away from the church
b)Scholarly read on scripture and the nature of free will
c)Fundy read on scripture, and most popular with the frightened, angry, and hate filled.

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:17 am

All the scriptures to answer your question:

(John 14:6) 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:30 am

Not a Christian board. Not interested in getting to the Christian Deity.
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:45 am

allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:Not a Christian board. Not interested in getting to the Christian Deity.

Spirituality forum if I am not mistaken!

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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:04 pm

Yeah, spirituality is not limited to Christianity.

If I want to get real mean on the topic, IMO it doesn't include Christianity, all respect to the few good people who just happen to be Christian that come here.
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Post by john5180 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:12 pm

Barbara M Wheeler wrote:All the scriptures to answer your question:

(John 14:6) 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

I think what All is trying to tell you, Barbara, is that your religious teachings hold just as much water for those of us who aren't Christian as our teachings hold for you. IOW, you don't go to the Koran for religious insights do you? Neither do we, or much of any other belief outside of our own. This verse holds some intrinsic meaning for you... But we don't see Jesus as the way to truth, or life. We don't consider ourselves to be lost, or in need of a rescuing. And we are able to talk to our deities directly without a middle man. I'm sure you have something of value to say to us, but if all you can do is quote scripture, then you need to know it is nothing we consider holy, or of any great spiritual significance.

Something else you need to be aware of for; well, at least the Pagans who post here..... Our gods do not require us to disavow the existence of any other gods. Our gods aren't so petty and small minded. So, there aren't many of us who would tell you that your god is false, or not a real god... (something I'm sure you are guilty of when speaking to non Christians about their beliefs). No Pagan will denounce another Pagan's god. Nor will they try to convert someone over to their beliefs, be it through wearing them out with words, or intimidation. Can your religion make the same boast?
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Post by john5180 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:24 pm

One last parting shot for you, Barbara.... Pagans, especially the ones you see in conversation here will discuss the points of their religions. Not argue and try to bring the other person down because of those differences. In fact, we are eager to learn, and are no longer surprised at the many similarities, particularly in how each person should relate to others. We have found that most Christians stopping by here want to try to convert, and when they see that conversion isn't possible, then they begin to down play our beliefs and seem to go out of their way to try to incorporate their beliefs into their own, when most of us here, who know the holidays, names of the days of the week, and months of the year come directly to Christianity through Pagan origins. You could learn a lot from us, if you're willing to listen and learn... No one expects you to accept it, and claim it for your beliefs, but to get an understanding that we are satisfied and content where we are. We feel just as blessed for our beliefs as you do yours.
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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:22 pm

You're being much nicer than me John.....
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Post by john5180 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:29 pm

allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:You're being much nicer than me John.....

cheers lol!

Not really Bear... I just debate better than you.
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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:32 pm

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Post by tmarie64 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:52 pm

Actually... ALL of you... This IS a Christianity board. The very title says, "Christianity Debate".

You don't get to say "Not a Christian board" on a CHRISTIAN BOARD.

You want Barbara to respect your choices... perhaps everyone should practice that.

The forum is not "christian", however this board is.

Barbara, this is a DEBATE board, NOT a preach board. Debate, give reasons or be quiet.

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Post by john5180 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:39 pm

tmarie64 wrote:Actually... ALL of you... This IS a Christianity board. The very title says, "Christianity Debate".

You don't get to say "Not a Christian board" on a CHRISTIAN BOARD.

You want Barbara to respect your choices... perhaps everyone should practice that.

The forum is not "christian", however this board is.

Barbara, this is a DEBATE board, NOT a preach board. Debate, give reasons or be quiet.

Christianity Debate? Really? As in argue the relative merits of the religion? Do you really want us to do that here on this thread, T? We're pretty good at that T Marie. Bring on your arguments for Christianity, and leave your anger at the door; because you don't seem to care too much for people speaking out against your religion. I for one will happily discuss what you consider merits of your beliefs, and cross each one of them off the list.

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Post by gillyflower on Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:56 pm

Actually I'm with Tina on this. It is the Christian board. True, many of us are not Christian but there is room here for Christians. I think Tina lives her religion and never tries to jam it down anyone's throat. I respect that.

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Post by john5180 on Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:50 pm

We all try to "live" our religions, Gilly. True as it may be for what you say about TMarie, even she would have to admit, if she's is totally honest, that isn't the representation of most of the religion. And simply because this board's name is Christianity Debate, it isn't a board for Christians to come and argue amongst themselves about the various aspects of their belief, nor is it a place where Christians can drive by and drop off a passing bible quote and leave. That's what happened on the other place, and one of the reasons so many non Christians left in droves. I'll try to be reasonable, but we're running out of places for Christians to hi-jack and take over. I'm with Bear on this one.
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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:57 am

tmarie64 wrote:Actually... ALL of you... This IS a Christianity board. The very title says, "Christianity Debate".

You don't get to say "Not a Christian board" on a CHRISTIAN BOARD.

You want Barbara to respect your choices... perhaps everyone should practice that.

The forum is not "christian", however this board is.

Barbara, this is a DEBATE board, NOT a preach board. Debate, give reasons or be quiet.

My post was a direct response to Barbaras post of no one coming to the father but through him. Now if we were on the fellowship board, I would not even have responded. It is the debate board though. Which was not in my thinking a specifically Christian board, but a board about Christianity. If it is something else, say, a Christian board where all people would be expected to be ones who desired fellowship with the Christian deity, I will move along.
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Post by john5180 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:51 am

Perhaps it's time for me to move on anyway. When the lines become so blurred as TMarie tries to make this board, it's like going to sleep and waking up on Beliefnet again. I survived the withdrawals of posting on that board, I'll survive this one.
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Post by gillyflower on Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:58 am

john5180 wrote:Perhaps it's time for me to move on anyway. When the lines become so blurred as TMarie tries to make this board, it's like going to sleep and waking up on Beliefnet again. I survived the withdrawals of posting on that board, I'll survive this one.

Oh, come on John. We know each other well enough to discuss where we think the lines are and to even disagree with that and still be able to discuss topics and remain friends - as least I feel I do. Right now we are debating lines. Maybe we should not have individual religion or denomination sections. Then lines is a moot point. What do you think?

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Post by gillyflower on Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:00 pm

Did I misunderstand All and John? I thought All was talking about moving on to a different thread. Did you mean that you want to leave the forum?

You too John. Do you wish to leave the forum?

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Post by john5180 on Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:12 pm

I don't think my disagreeing with you is cutting ties with a friend, Gilly. We simply disagree. But I do believe when an administrator chastises non Christians, particularly in areas where her religion is less than savory and is brought up, then I'm dealing with another Adephle. And yes, before I go through that ordeal, and let it affect my blood pressure, I'll take my leave. I mean exactly that. I think TMarie could have done a better job of explaining than she did. If this board is to debate Christianity, then it ISN'T what I would define as a Christian board, because some things are going to be said about the religion that most, if not all Christians will find offensive..... I still stand by All with what he told Barbara, and I stand by my statement that it just may well be time to leave here the same way I did Beliefnet. Life is just too damn short for the quibbling.
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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:53 pm

While I can see both sides of the disagreement I've chosen to not engage others on this board. Which is why I normally just stay on two other boards.
And John my friend. You know how much I respect you as well as I respect Dave & ALL. I agree with you John about why we left b-net. I would ask you to do what I do. Not because that we both usually agree about Christianty but because it's too debiliting. Besides trying to debate religion is too much like debating politics.

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Post by allthegoodnamesweretaken on Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:35 pm

I was talking about staying off of this this specific board, "Christianity Debate"

Not about leaving the site. I can't do facebook like some of you guys. My profession gets in the way.
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