Those Who Have Gone Before Us--to find the God within

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Those Who Have Gone Before Us--to find the God within

Post by Morning Star on Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:09 pm

Those who have gone before us,
who have walked the pathway through the mist and have found the deep well
from which we all must drink,
can show us the way.

Those mystics, scribes, gods and goddess' have traversed this field of reality,
and have united in soul at the end of their journey, where all become one.
They can speak to us of the hazards and the glory that can be known
as we step upon this divine road to find the God within, at journey's end.

Those brave souls have looked upon the preexisting terrain of reality,
beset with its limitations and its fear, and have said:
"This will not do, this is not for me; there must be something else,
something deeper that I will seek."

So, they set out on this journey of mystery, of evolvement, and took the road within
to the landscape of what we have borne, of what we have known.
Then deliberately and without fear—sometimes—they traversed the internal realm,
and shook their own foundation, of being,
in order to come to the place from which they can at last drink.
Such an elixir as this unfolds the petals of the mightiest heart,
and bequeaths to us the courage and strength to open to our vulnerability,
thereby revealing our innocence.
Thus we find the love that we have always been seeking, discovering that it exists within.
Then the journey, and all else that has been, no longer matters,
as such a truth as this is found.

But, in the last, even as so many have walked before us and shown us the way,
it is to our own heart that we must listen.
It is to our own truth that we must turn, so that we can come to this place in our own way,
that the rose of our heart may flower before that sun of love and truth.

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Post by John T Mainer on Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:25 pm

Hard polytheists like myself would differ. In my own faith, we hold the divine was once whole, unknowing and unknowable. Ymir was sundered that the universe could know itself, from that sundering came the primal forces (Jottun) that themselves inevitably gave rise to the gods. Hard polythesists, of which Asatru are but one small group, hold that the gods are discrete knowable entities of specific natures and motivations.

Archetype workers or soft polytheists as are also found in the pagan and wiccan community (as well as in the Eastern traditions) would have more in common with these beliefs

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Post by Gorm_Sionnach on Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:31 am

Those who have gone before us,
who have walked the pathway through the mist and have found the deep well
from which we all must drink,
can show us the way.


I do believe that the ancestors and cthonic deities can indeed "show us the way" as it were; albeit perhaps, not in the way you desrcibe below.

Those mystics, scribes, gods and goddess' have traversed this field of reality,
and have united in soul at the end of their journey, where all become one.
They can speak to us of the hazards and the glory that can be known
as we step upon this divine road to find the God within, at journey's end.


I deffinetely disagree with you here. I think the idea of all becoming one as a good thing or laudable metaphysical goal. I believe this is emblematic of the dominence of monotheism in both religious and cultural contexts, as opposed to being reflective of something that is a desirable outcome.

Those brave souls have looked upon the preexisting terrain of reality,
beset with its limitations and its fear, and have said:
"This will not do, this is not for me; there must be something else,
something deeper that I will seek."


This sounds, and I do not mean to be flippant, rather pretentious but ultimately vapid. So in essence, "I reject your reality and substitute my own", not exactely deep spiritual wisdom.

So, they set out on this journey of mystery, of evolvement, and took the road within
to the landscape of what we have borne, of what we have known.
Then deliberately and without fear—sometimes—they traversed the internal realm,
and shook their own foundation, of being,
in order to come to the place from which they can at last drink.
Such an elixir as this unfolds the petals of the mightiest heart,
and bequeaths to us the courage and strength to open to our vulnerability,
thereby revealing our innocence.


What is "evolvement", did you mean evolution? I think self discovery in important, but exploring outside one self is ultimately more fruitful than looking inside and risk indulging in solipistic fantasies. What does "unfold the petals of the mighteist heart" even mean? I'm having some difficulty with following the symbolism which is being employed here. Is the heart a flower? When have flowers ever been symbolic of might?

I think innocence as an ideal is highly over valued, again indicative of the notion that a "return to innocence" is something to strive for. Innocence tacitly refers to ignorance of reality, which is often harsh. Innocence also relates to forgiveness, in that forgiveness is supposed to be the default response to any wrong done or done to you; I believe this is a cop out and ultimetely an avoidance of responsibility and accountability.

Thus we find the love that we have always been seeking, discovering that it exists within.
Then the journey, and all else that has been, no longer matters,
as such a truth as this is found.


While "love" wheter it be agape or eros, is an important component of the human experience; we are after all social beings, there is more to lving than this alone. There is virture, there is action, there is joy, there is wisdom, there is knowledge and there is truth. Love as the be all and end all, and nothing else matters is incredibly narrow minded.

But, in the last, even as so many have walked before us and shown us the way,
it is to our own heart that we must listen.
It is to our own truth that we must turn, so that we can come to this place in our own way,
that the rose of our heart may flower before that sun of love and truth.


We shall have to disagree on much that you've written. I do respect, and honour the ancestors, and they have laid down for us the means to "find our way", I just disagree that you and I are even walking on the same path, or looking for the same thing.

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Re: Those Who Have Gone Before Us--to find the God within

Post by Morning Star on Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:42 pm

Thank you for your comments and exploration of this philosophical poem.

The wealth of all of our truths are valid and add to the richness of each of our pathways. So I honor where we differ in our philosophies, and thank you for your discussion of "Those who have gone before us."

This narrative also describes my own experience of finding God within me, and I recognize that this pathway can be a different experience for each of us.

Blessed Be.

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Post by John T Mainer on Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:18 pm

Welcome, by the way. Your words have been worth reading, your responses to differing opinions have been measured and thoughtful. Under my own, (admittedly harsh) community standards, this would win you status and worth.

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