Is Satan/The Devil/Lucifer really who some believe him to be?

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Is Satan/The Devil/Lucifer really who some believe him to be?

Post by DeavonReye on Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:28 pm

Whenever there is a discussion on some christian forums, and the topic of "the Devil", "Satan", or "Lucifer" comes up, it is always the case that they will state that "he is all evil, nothing good found in him, that he hates everyone, that he wants all people to go to hell, etc,". However, when I did a search for "The Devil" or "Satan" in the bible, I didn't really find anything there that seemed all that bad. For example, saying "Satan hates humans with a hatred that cannot be understood, they hate us simply because we are like God."

If this being actually exists, has he become a "scapegoat" for people that need "the devil made me do it" type of things? In my opinion, . . . men do plenty of bad things all on their own.

Is it all just tradition based upon people's own suppositions?
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Post by TigersEyeDowsing on Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:16 pm

Dualistic attitude.

People want to have the all-good (God, can do no wrong, perfect) and to have that they need the all bad (Evil, can do no good, perfectly bad). People seem to be hard-wired as dualists; I think it comes from childhood reinforcement from "is that good or bad?" "is that hot or cold?" "is that a boy or a girl?" I dunno. Armchair psychology but that's how I explain it.

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Post by Sakhaiva on Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:52 pm

The concept of Satan varies a lot throughout the Bible. Consider in Job... hasatan simply means 'accuser' and is a title, not a name. Which portion of the Bible are we to emphasize? I think it's mainly a traditional thing.

As for my personal beliefs, thinking out loud.... Luther believed that evil spirits existed. Some people are good.... some are really naughty. Putting these two ideas together, if spirits exist, they can also be somewhat naughty. In that light, I do believe in the concepts of 'good' and 'evil'; in good spirits and bad.

Not too deep, but there we have it.

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Post by Sakhaiva on Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:36 pm

Hey.... didn't TED have a message in here too? (Rubbing eyes.) Maybe I'm confusing threads.

In any case, thought I'd add this tidbit to the topic:

  • Most conservative Christian churches teach beliefs that are grounded in the 1st century CE - that Satan is a profoundly evil, fallen angel who is totally dedicated to the destruction of everyone's lives. He is a supernatural being who "walketh about, seeking whom he may devour," and is aided by countless demons. He and his demons are all pervasive. They engage in world-wide "spiritual warfare," and are a continual threat to all. They can dwell within people, as in demon possession.

  • Liberal/progressive Christian churches tend to view Satan as a principle or concept of evil, without any physical existence or personality. They acknowledge that Jesus and his disciples believed in the presence of a living entity called Satan. They realize that the gospel writers wrote of exorcisms which drove indwelling demons from within people. But they attribute these beliefs to the pre-scientific level of knowledge at the time.

  • Archaeologists and anthropologists, religious historians and other researchers have traced the development of the concept of Satan from its origin in the Zoroastrian religion, via the ancient Babylonian Empire, to ancient Judaism, and finally into Christianity and Islam.

  • Most present-day Satanists belong to religious groups such as the Church of Satan or the Temple of Set. Most of the former are Agnostics; they do not believe in Satan as a living entity or as a God; they view Satan as a basic force or principle of nature. Members of the Temple of Set recognize the ancient Egyptian god Set as a deity. Both groups' beliefs about Satan have little in common with Christian beliefs.

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I suppose that, for today, I fall into the 'Progressive Christian' category.
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Post by TigersEyeDowsing on Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:41 pm

I did! But it...disappeared. Sad I've been censored! Angry

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Post by Sakhaiva on Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:55 pm

TigersEyeDowsing wrote:I did! But it...disappeared. Sad I've been censored! Angry

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Post by TigersEyeDowsing on Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:11 pm

Satan must have deleted it.

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Post by Sakhaiva on Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:20 pm

TigersEyeDowsing wrote:Satan must have deleted it.

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Post by Davelaw on Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:57 pm

Deavon, you might speak to our very own Ebon is a self-proclaimed Luciferian Malthiest-which in simplest terms is the Bible is accurate in its portrayal of God-God is Evil so therefore he is siding with the opposition

(and yes, I'm a conservative born-again Christian and consider Ebon to be a close friend)
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Post by DeavonReye on Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:33 am

Maybe he'll see my post. Smile
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Post by Davelaw on Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:47 am

Do you want me to send him an email?
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Post by DeavonReye on Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:14 am

If you would like to, . . . . thanks Dave. Smile
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Post by Beribee on Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:57 pm

Sakhaiva wrote:
I suppose that, for today, I fall into the 'Progressive Christian' category.

Me too, Sak!! Makes sense to me (for now)!

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