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Post by sacrificialgoddess on Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:24 pm

While I am sticking this under Catholic Debate due to the news article that sparked the question, it is really a question that can probably go to everyone who is a part of an organized religion.

So, here is where I started:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popersquos-child-porn-normal-claim-sparks-outrage-among-victims-15035449.html

And here is the question that came to mind:
How do you, as a member of an organized religion, hold true to the tenets of that faith, and show nonbelievers how the faith is supposed act and treat others when the clergy spins off and leaves nonbelievers believing that they are next to worthless human beings?
How do you respond when folks come up to you and say, "You're a good person, so how could you still be Catholic?

Or how could you be (fill in the blank.)

How do you reassure people when they come to you, thinking your church leaders are a bit on the nutty side?

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Post by wmdkitty on Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:05 pm

It can't be done without massive amounts of cognitive dissonance and outright denial.
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Post by tmarie64 on Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:39 pm

Why? WMD? So, do you ever ask teachers, preachers, mothers, fathers, uncles, cops..."How you to do THAT?"
I mean, to hold an entire denomination accountable for the failures of a small percentage of the HUMANS running it... Is the same as saying, "I could NEVER be a cop/aunt/uncle/teacher" because there are pedophiles that are in every one of those walks of life.
I don't reassure people... I don't justify my choices. I'm not one of those stupid enough to believe that the whole church is bad.
And I'm not in denial. So, you can put THAT argument away.

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Post by DeavonReye on Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:53 pm

I think it has to do with the fact that clergy have taken the time to do exhaustive study and should be closer to god than the layman, so the error makes it somehow worse. Perhaps it is the seemingly "hypocritical" nature of clergy, which strongly preach to people about not sinning, yet do things that are pretty bad in comparison to what the lay[wo]men do, . . . . kinda like Ted Haggard preaching so fernantly against homosexuality, but then coming out as a homosexual.

Maybe that's not what the others are saying, but that is what I took from it.
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Post by John T Mainer on Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:18 am

To set a standard for conduct that goes against human nature is to require your priesthood to be either a hypocrite, or a person who is unmoved by any of the basic human drives. While there are some few persons who have utterly sublimated their natural drives, and of that small set, some few have a holy calling to one god or another, it is rare.

Now finding someone whose drives move them in other directions, or who have learned to hide (often with good reason) what those drives are, is more common. Thus while paragons of virtue are rare, those who have learned to hide their inner nature are more common. Of those who learned to hide their nature, some number will be con men, sexual predators, or status hungry manipulators. In the politics of the church, who do you think will be driven to, and more successful at achieving status, those who are truly humble and wish only to serve, or those who are driven by desires they have long learned to conceal?

Honestly, filtering out those who have normal human desire for consenting adults of the opposite sex is a good way of giving you disproportonate numbers of people who are child molestors, or whose repressed sexual desire for members of the opposite sex drives them to mysogyny, or whose secret desire for their own sex coupled with a religious prohibition from practicing it in a healthy manner, leaves them tormented. It is just not a breeding ground for healthy expression of any kind.

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Re: Clergy behaving badly

Post by wmdkitty on Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:53 am

Let me put it this way, Tmarie -- I have nothing against the Catholics in the pews (until they try to legislate away my rights). I used to BE one of you.

I just wouldn't trust a priest as far as I could throw him.

Come to think of it, I just flat out don't trust authority figures, religious or otherwise.
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