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Post by Sakhaiva on Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:47 pm

John T Mainer wrote:Well I only post anywhere under my own name, so I would have to agree. When you can seperate your self from your deeds and words there is a temptation to follow your urges more than you would if your sense of shame balanced your sense of outrage.

I totally agree with this.


The one thing that has kept me using Sakhaiva is hope that certain tyrants from my past do not come tracking me down. IOW, fear. I'm not certain my fear is rational; in this day and age, anyone can find anything about anyone for just a few bucks.

While privacy is an issue for me... my privacy is not worth supporting the abuses of others. Since the www, child pornography has exploded - including real time, web-cam abuse, and I'd much rather expose myself to my ex than help hide people who get off torturing the innocent.


Anyone interested can check out more on that topic here: http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0818/p01s01-stct.html
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Post by Sakhaiva on Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:11 pm

Gilly, I think the idea of accountability will be pushed through once enough fear about terrorism bubbles up. Check this out:

The Christian Science Monitor (a journalistic favorite of mine) recently ran an article about Terrorists using Facebook and Twitter to
gain support:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2010/0708/Newest-friends-on-Facebook-Pakistan-militants.


"Extremist groups in Pakistan
are joining the social networking site – and tweeting on Twitter and
sending text messages – to share notes on upcoming conferences and post
videos on the West’s agenda against Islam. They also spread
provocative views and encourage attacks against Pakistan’s Ahmadi
religious minority. And they often do so without fear of crackdown by
authorities.


“its now time to implenet islam [sic] and hang black
water, rehamn malik and zardari till death,” posts one user, referring
to the private American security firm, Pakistan’s interior minister,
and Pakistan's president. That post appeared on the page of
Hizb-ut-Tahrir, a global Islamist party that denounces democracy and
campaigns for the establishment of a global caliphate (akin to an
empire) based on Islamic Law. The user goes by “Commander Khattab,” the
name of deceased Chechen guerrilla leader."


(I suppose there will now be a FB setting that says "Friends" "Friends of Friends" "Terrorist Friends" "Friends of Terrorist Friends".....)

What do you think?
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Post by gillyflower on Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:33 pm

Okay, I happen to know of some abuse of this system - the choking off of money to companies who aren't dealing in child abuse but are dealing with fan fiction and blogs, journaling sites in other words. Some of these people trying to clean up the internet can't tell the difference between real abuse and people writing about their fantasies, favorite characters, or a h/c story. They also don't seem to understand that there is no real way of keeping children from reading about such things if their parents don't monitor what they do on the computer.

Some of these monitoring groups are trying to force blogging sites to watch what their posters are doing and kick out anyone who posts anything like slash or adult posts, or otherwise remove the posts the group finds offensive. This has happened to several sites that I know of. One site had a lot of trouble because PayPal and Mastercard told them that if they didn't give in to the groups demands and change how they did business that they would not process their money. They had a lot of trouble finding someone to process the money they take in from bloggers after the attacks because they refused to be blackmailed into telling their clients what kind of stories they could write.

So I'm saying take that article with a big grain of salt. Some of the "sexual abuse" people are spotting on the internet and trying to put a stop to is fan fiction.

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Re: New Push for Accountability?

Post by Sakhaiva on Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:52 pm

gillyflower wrote:So I'm saying take that article with a big grain of salt.

Sadly, I have to disagree with you.

I wish I didn't have to.
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Post by gillyflower on Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:57 pm

I wish you didn't either. I am aware however that you aren't involved in fan fiction and haven't witnessed the "child pornography" troll groups trying to shut down several sites.

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Post by sacrificialgoddess on Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:16 pm

Yep. Fanfiction has its dark an twisty side, but that doesn't it mean it should be yanked off the web.

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Post by gillyflower on Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:30 pm

The real problem when it comes to pornography and child pornography is that when it comes up, everyone has their own idea of what that is, so Sak can be thinking that it is real children being hurt and I can be thinking that it is a boys love manga.

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Post by sacrificialgoddess on Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:40 pm

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."


— Justice Potter Stewart, concurring opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio 378 U.S. 184 (1964), regarding possible obscenity in The Lovers

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Post by DotNotInOz on Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:56 pm

Reminds me of the huge flap some years back over a photographer's work that the local nutbag groups considered kiddie porn. Damn! Can't remember the guy's name now, but I took a look at one of his books, and his photos were rather lovely family nude bathing and skinny dipping pictures with both adults and kids in varying stages of nudity.

I called them artistic; the more wacky referred to them as exploitative.

Ultimately, there was such a big ruckus made by some weird group such as Focus On the Family that Borders decided not to shelve his books anymore. You could only get them by special order.

And that's what happens...semi-censorship at the least...when people get their lingerie in a disoriented configuration over something that is not intended as prurient.

Exploitation? When the credits emphasized that each photo featuring minors was authorized by the children's parents? I don't think so.
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Post by John T Mainer on Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:52 pm

My children and I attend clothing optional family events, and so have no problem with the nudity. It is the sexualizing of young children that is of prurient interest to pedophiles, and encourages dangerous behaviors in young people who do not know the stakes of the games they play.

I see no evil in a picture of nude swimmers or bathers, and considerable reason for concern when a topless early teen is portrayed in heavy (hooker) makeup, kneeling at the crotch of a grown man with the understood subtext of fellatio.

It is not the nudity, it is the portrayal of children as legitimate sex objects that I object to. As a father of three young daughters, I feel compelled to point out that my steel, not my local constabulary would be the most likely arbiter about age of consent.

Depending on opinions of the afterlife, I may or may not leave it there.

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