God of the Corn vs God of the Hunt

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Re: God of the Corn vs God of the Hunt

Post by innerpoint on Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:50 pm

When you look at online rituals, and the majority of books that are written 'teaching' Wicca, you find what seems to be a goddess-centric view of the entire religion of Wicca. The value and substance of what is generally available concerning the religion is extremely questionable.

The balance of nature is paramount in our view. The god holds an equal place with the goddess, the agricultural aspects hold an equal value with the 'hunt' - anything, and everything, must be in balance for a fruitul and healthy existence. I don't know exactly how the agricultural aspect came to be such a predominant part, ignoring the other, unless, indeed, through a misunderstanding and misreading of the Rede.
< br>Too, many people coming to Wicca, particularly when depending on the media of the internet for their guidance, find a strange affinity and solace when seeing that the goddess holds such a high place in our religion. To them, after being predominantly taught that the 'high-n-mighty' is of a male aspect, go to the totally opposite extreme - using the goddess as the 'all' of the faith. Some come around after a while, recognizing and realizing that balance can't be achieved from this viewpoint - while others totally ignore that the balance is something other than an ideal to be spoken of but never thought about or practiced.

I don't see where there is a battle between hunting and agriculture. I do see where one is necessary for the other - neither can truly exist indepentently of the other. Which leads to the concept that the gods are all about us - being there only for the benefice of people. They're not - we, as much as any other entity on this earth, are as much a part of the natural balance as the light and dark, sun and moon, the turning of the seasons... even the smallest part of our world that isn't seen or thought about. There are many parts of our religion that are never considered, and never stressed to be thought of, through the writings contained in the vast majority of books or the writings that are to be found on internet searches. It's really all common sense - but, as with so much else in Wicca, this common sense is hidden; hidden in plain sight for those who take the time to look for it and try to understand it.

I had to smile to myself when you brought up the seed and blood. Too many take this beyond the point of the simple aspects and place it upon the feritlity and continuance of humankind, placing it within the words of "all acts of love and joy are my rituals" from the Charge. While that is a part of it, it's only one part. Most Wiicans, on this board, realize what the Rede is and how incomplete it is - and that it's not an original part of the Wiccan faith. Those who are just coming to Wicca without the benefit of more knowledgeable guidance take this to be the 'LAW' of Wicca - and erroneously believe it's the only thing you have to know or think about.

Thank you, Rain, for bringing this up. It's opened many thoughts and considerations that I've so long taken for granted and haven't placed as a lack in the community, overall. It's an inherent part of the faith and, as such, is often overlooked as being basic common-sense - not worthy of being specifically noted when the term 'balance' is used in our conversations.
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Re: God of the Corn vs God of the Hunt

Post by innerpoint on Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:56 pm

I just had another thought... while I was talking about stating the obvious and assuming that the thought would be taken further, I find myself having done the same thing.

In my last post, I left the implication that the god would be associated with the hunt while the goddess is associated most closely with the grain. Again, in balance, this isn't always the case. Consider within the Greek pantheon Dionysus and Artemis. A god of vegetation and a goddess of the hunt.

While Demeter is often thought to be the goddess of the grain, her personification through Greek mythology is that of the entire spectrum of flora - particularly when looked at in the light of the abduction of Coré. The story tells us what happens when the vegetation (grain) is lacking.

Also, in Wicca, there are specific personifications, in regard to the seasons, of the Green Man (vegetation) and the Horned God (the hunter) - which I believe is one of the concepts that Rain was alluding to in her OP. Still, each has their time and place - and those are balanced.

This is just something I wanted to add to give someone, anyone, further thought regarding the balance of the hunt and agriculture. Ignoring one aspect or giving more emphasis to something isn't keeping the essential balance - so, if you ever see something that looks more dominant, looks for its opposite aspect. Believe me, it's there.
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Re: God of the Corn vs God of the Hunt

Post by innerpoint on Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:05 pm

gillyflower wrote:And many Wiccans treat Wiccan celebrations like it is DragonCon, in my opinion. It's a time to hang out with friends, dress up in fun clothes, put on a ritual like it's a play, eat and drink and go home having had a fun and happy evening. I'm not sure there is anything wrong with that, but still. (There are those who don't, of course.)
Ehhh... not all of us, Gilly. There are still a lot of us old die-hards who .
gillyflower wrote:So yes, I struggle with keeping it real and as I do, I think my practice becomes more and more a personal one centered around my relationship with the gods, other people, the earth and things that are important to me like keeping a balance and seeing the whole.
Yes, ma'am. Exactly!
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Post by innerpoint on Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:24 pm

John T Mainer wrote:Keeping it real there Gilly. Our ancestors wore their best clothes to rituals, and used the tools of their professions, that which fed and defended their families with the expectation that the gods would be pleased by the works of their folk, and have real aid in those same workday endeavors.
True, sir. In Wicca, though, the original prevailing basis for the assemblage of all the parts was based on Witchcraft. Skyclad was the original Wiccan practice and, while this isn't a strict requirement (particularly in public ritual), the thought is still supposed to be there that "we are naked beneath our robes".
John T Mainer wrote:I never liked the whole SCA flavour that some pagans feel is required for their rituals.
Definitely! The whole idea really should be based on the KISS principle. You know, Keep It Simple, Stupid. Otherwise, there are too many things that can go wrong and, the worst part is, there's more emphasis being put on the words and trappings than there is in the honour of the gods and any other reason for the ritual.
John T Mainer wrote:The closest I ever felt to my gods was stripping, cleaning, and assembling my assault rifle in the field, or meditating while performing maintainance on my AN/PRC field radio. Modern plastics and alloys our ancestors never dreamed of, but the tools I used to defend my folk, even as the most powerful of those weapons was the radio through which I could call down strikes with the power of Mjollner itself. Now my work tools are not hammer and axe, but keyboard and pen, should not these too find a place on the alter? Should I not bring the awareness of the gods into my daily life and struggles, or should we fall into the Christian trap and think of the gods only on special days or when we are dressed for it.

We are what we do. Bring the gods with you into your daily life, and you will bring their benefits with you forever. If you answer phones for a living, or work a garbage crew, or teach children, or trade currencies and T bills; these are the struggles of your daily life, and it is here you need the voice of the gods the most. Why not remember that in your practice?
>nods< The ideas behind the Wiccan practices are to walk with the gods, talk with the gods, honour the gods and everything that is in nature at every moment of your life and to know yourself, intimately - in thought and deed. We, Wiccans, are supposed to have these thoughts first and foremost in our minds, every minute of every day. In our dealings with ourselves, with others, with deity, with nature... integrity and honour is the byword. Of course, have you ever figured out how many Wiccans it takes to screw in a lightbulb?
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Re: God of the Corn vs God of the Hunt

Post by WhiteHart on Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:59 pm

innerpoint wrote:>nods< The ideas behind the Wiccan practices are to walk with the gods, talk with the gods, honour the gods and everything that is in nature at every moment of your life and to know yourself, intimately - in thought and deed. We, Wiccans, are supposed to have these thoughts first and foremost in our minds, every minute of every day. In our dealings with ourselves, with others, with deity, with nature... integrity and honour is the byword. Of course, have you ever figured out how many Wiccans it takes to screw in a lightbulb?

That is the ideal, isn't it? Very hard to do in practice, but the thing to strive for.

As for that Joke... LOL! Four....
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Re: God of the Corn vs God of the Hunt

Post by innerpoint on Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:17 pm

WhiteHart wrote:That is the ideal, isn't it? Very hard to do in practice, but the thing to strive for.

As for that Joke... LOL! Four....
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